I’m not sure of the rules, but I’ve noticed before that the English and American uses of singular and plural are quite different. In this case, we Colonials would say “Brazil has won” because we consider Brazil, the country, as a single entity. It seems the Brits say “have” as they consider Brazil to be composed of many, so they use the plural.
Rather ironic of you to say that, bookworm0812, inasmuch as you used “the” instead of “they” and “they’re” instead of “their.” And as Sandfan pointed out, the use of “have” is grammatically correct because the mindset in Britain is to think of the Brazilian team members as individuals, not as a single unit as we would do here in the States. The rule is that when members of a group are considered to have acted separately, the plural verb is required. The singular is only correct if the team members are considered to have acted together as a single unit.
Brit usage of plural verbs for plural entities does make a certain amount of sense, but on the whole I prefer to speak American.British: "The audience were bemused by the performance.’American: “The crowd pelted the band with rocks and garbage.”
it’s ‘have’. English people use it the same way as in “how many times HAVE the NY Yankees won the World Series?” They’re speaking of Brazil the National Soccer Team, not the country.
Templo S.U.D. about 9 years ago
Well played, Chalkie. Well played (You too, Andy.)
TREEINTHEWIND about 9 years ago
It’s not the first time that someone has been done in by a speaker phone setting………..
John M about 9 years ago
@beviek
It appears the Great Pumpkin might not be everything he believes
banks00wv about 9 years ago
Considering that they are English, shouldn’t they be using proper English? “How many times has Brazil won”…not ‘have’ won.
Happy, happy, happy!!! Premium Member about 9 years ago
I haven’t commented here in a long time.Andy is still high in my queue. Got tired of the trolls. Are they still here in abundance?
Happy, happy, happy!!! Premium Member about 9 years ago
Happy Halloween everyone. Play safe!
maverick1usa about 9 years ago
Happy Halloween or All Hallows Day Cappers!
Sandfan about 9 years ago
I’m not sure of the rules, but I’ve noticed before that the English and American uses of singular and plural are quite different. In this case, we Colonials would say “Brazil has won” because we consider Brazil, the country, as a single entity. It seems the Brits say “have” as they consider Brazil to be composed of many, so they use the plural.
Sandfan about 9 years ago
If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’!
legaleagle48 about 9 years ago
Rather ironic of you to say that, bookworm0812, inasmuch as you used “the” instead of “they” and “they’re” instead of “their.” And as Sandfan pointed out, the use of “have” is grammatically correct because the mindset in Britain is to think of the Brazilian team members as individuals, not as a single unit as we would do here in the States. The rule is that when members of a group are considered to have acted separately, the plural verb is required. The singular is only correct if the team members are considered to have acted together as a single unit.
Godfreydaniel about 9 years ago
Brit usage of plural verbs for plural entities does make a certain amount of sense, but on the whole I prefer to speak American.British: "The audience were bemused by the performance.’American: “The crowd pelted the band with rocks and garbage.”
Godfreydaniel about 9 years ago
@Mai GriffinI never claimed anybody was uneducated, British or American, just pointing out one of many differences.
K M about 9 years ago
That’s why I put my phone on vibrate in an environment like that.
armondo77 about 3 years ago
it’s ‘have’. English people use it the same way as in “how many times HAVE the NY Yankees won the World Series?” They’re speaking of Brazil the National Soccer Team, not the country.