This is funny in a comic, but, unfortunately too true in real life, and not funny at all then :(
The Deacon ‘s a very gifted man.
I can just picture his idea of the 7 spiritual gifts:
Complaining
Grudge Holding
Holier than Thou-ness
Pessimism
Polliannaism (probably the opposite of pessimism, but I know people with both “gifts” that they seem to exhibit simultaneously)
Reactionary Conservatism
Radical Progressiveness
These last two are two sides of the same coin- the “But we’ve ALWAYS done it that way” people and the “It’s NEW and DIFFERENT so it must be BETTER” people.
Grumbling (aka murmuring)–complaining to those who can do nothing about it.
Grudge holding
Holier Than Thou-ness
Self-righteousness
Judgmentalism
Foolish traditionalism
Idolatry, as in trusting in self, in some human power, or so on.
Great comments by all!
bmonk - Thank you for defining that grumbling/murmuring “gift”, because I get tired of people who are always of the “if you can’t saying anything nice, don’t say anything at all” philosophy. Sometimes, something does need to be said that isn’t always “nice”. But I’ve tried to live by the adage that if I’m not willing to help solve the problem, I shouldn’t gripe about it.
“But I’ve tried to live by the adage that if I’m not willing to help solve the problem, I shouldn’t gripe about it.”
Gosh, Rmom, I wish more people felt like that.
@LuvH8, once you know where your faults lie, then you can begin to do something about them. Hence the old saying, “The unexamined life is not worth living.”
About the list: I shamelessly cribbed half of it from you, DewSolo, and added a few other ideas from monastic tradition. The last one was the hardest to find a name or word for, and I still think it’s not quite right.
bmonk ~ I have decided it is a pain to decorate and then take down the holiday decorations. (I am almost done putting away the Christmas stuff) Is that a step in the right direction?
@DewSolo, no, classically it’s idolatry: putting whatever it is ahead of God, trusting it more, maybe keeping it in mind, “just in case” God fails. But we don’t seem to have a good name for it that I can find.
‘Course, if you are going to change it to something else, that would solve the problem too….
So I guess this means no more making paper snowflakes and putting them in the windows in tribute to the snow god? Oh well, I don’t think it works anyway. We rarely get enough snow to do anything fun.
Luv - We did the paper snowflake thing, but never heard about doing it in “tribute to the snow god.” It was more of a science/art project. How they all had 6 symmetrical sections, but each one is unique (assuming the artists didn’t use a pattern) just like the ones God made.
Rmom, I made up the snow god and made the snow flakes by folding the paper to get six sides then cutting out shapes. I wonder if it is worse giving tribute and praying to a god you made up in your head.
LuvH8, I’m laughing, imagining your home lit up with Christmas lights and a wreath or two; red, lacy hearts; Easter eggs and a bunny; skeletons and jack-o-lanterns, all amid hand-cut snowflakes…
I think lots of people pray and offer tribute or worship to a made-up god. It’s really only a problem if you don’t move on to a real God when he appears…
Really? Not too far from the truth sometimes. Did you know that gravity eventually makes those fake spider webs sag? This is why I use real spider webs.
How come it is more difficult to think about God when it is hard to think, or you have the sad, or the happy, or…… I think I think about Him most when I am driving. Which is both good and bad. My not getting in wrecks is sort of a miracle.
Yes–as a favorite religion prof once liked to say, “Christians have a remarkable dexterity for missing the point.” What is so hard to learn about forgiveness and love? About not counting the cost but choosing to be vulnerable, as Jesus chose to be vulnerable?
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Wait! I thought complaining was his spiritual gift?
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COWBOY7 over 14 years ago
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Dewsolo over 14 years ago
This is funny in a comic, but, unfortunately too true in real life, and not funny at all then :(
The Deacon ‘s a very gifted man.
I can just picture his idea of the 7 spiritual gifts: Complaining Grudge Holding Holier than Thou-ness Pessimism Polliannaism (probably the opposite of pessimism, but I know people with both “gifts” that they seem to exhibit simultaneously) Reactionary Conservatism Radical Progressiveness These last two are two sides of the same coin- the “But we’ve ALWAYS done it that way” people and the “It’s NEW and DIFFERENT so it must be BETTER” people.
Iwa Iniki over 14 years ago
I too know many people like this. Very sad!
bmonk over 14 years ago
@DewSolo, pretty good!
My list of the seven un-spiritual gifts:
Grumbling (aka murmuring)–complaining to those who can do nothing about it. Grudge holding Holier Than Thou-ness Self-righteousness Judgmentalism Foolish traditionalism Idolatry, as in trusting in self, in some human power, or so on.Smiley Rmom over 14 years ago
Great comments by all! bmonk - Thank you for defining that grumbling/murmuring “gift”, because I get tired of people who are always of the “if you can’t saying anything nice, don’t say anything at all” philosophy. Sometimes, something does need to be said that isn’t always “nice”. But I’ve tried to live by the adage that if I’m not willing to help solve the problem, I shouldn’t gripe about it.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Bmonk ~ You have just described me perfectly, is that a bad thing???
Dewsolo over 14 years ago
“But I’ve tried to live by the adage that if I’m not willing to help solve the problem, I shouldn’t gripe about it.” Gosh, Rmom, I wish more people felt like that.
Good list, bmonk!
bmonk over 14 years ago
@LuvH8, once you know where your faults lie, then you can begin to do something about them. Hence the old saying, “The unexamined life is not worth living.”
About the list: I shamelessly cribbed half of it from you, DewSolo, and added a few other ideas from monastic tradition. The last one was the hardest to find a name or word for, and I still think it’s not quite right.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
bmonk ~ I have decided it is a pain to decorate and then take down the holiday decorations. (I am almost done putting away the Christmas stuff) Is that a step in the right direction?
bmonk over 14 years ago
@LuvH8, if you perfect your procrastination, you will leave them up year round–and save both taking them down and putting them back up!
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Yeah, I could just add a few Halloween and Easter decorations. Oh, wait I had those up for Christmas last year.
Oh, is avoiding things and life a un-spiritual gift?
Dewsolo over 14 years ago
bmonk, how about ‘self-centeredness’ for #7 That’s not quite right either.
Maybe Self Importance?
bmonk over 14 years ago
@DewSolo, no, classically it’s idolatry: putting whatever it is ahead of God, trusting it more, maybe keeping it in mind, “just in case” God fails. But we don’t seem to have a good name for it that I can find.
‘Course, if you are going to change it to something else, that would solve the problem too….
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
So I guess this means no more making paper snowflakes and putting them in the windows in tribute to the snow god? Oh well, I don’t think it works anyway. We rarely get enough snow to do anything fun.
Smiley Rmom over 14 years ago
Luv - We did the paper snowflake thing, but never heard about doing it in “tribute to the snow god.” It was more of a science/art project. How they all had 6 symmetrical sections, but each one is unique (assuming the artists didn’t use a pattern) just like the ones God made.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Rmom, I made up the snow god and made the snow flakes by folding the paper to get six sides then cutting out shapes. I wonder if it is worse giving tribute and praying to a god you made up in your head.
bmonk over 14 years ago
LuvH8, I’m laughing, imagining your home lit up with Christmas lights and a wreath or two; red, lacy hearts; Easter eggs and a bunny; skeletons and jack-o-lanterns, all amid hand-cut snowflakes…
I think lots of people pray and offer tribute or worship to a made-up god. It’s really only a problem if you don’t move on to a real God when he appears…
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Really? Not too far from the truth sometimes. Did you know that gravity eventually makes those fake spider webs sag? This is why I use real spider webs.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
How come it is more difficult to think about God when it is hard to think, or you have the sad, or the happy, or…… I think I think about Him most when I am driving. Which is both good and bad. My not getting in wrecks is sort of a miracle.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
I kind of do that to a lot of things. I will try to learn or do something or whatever and then all the sudden I just stop.
Charles Brobst Premium Member over 14 years ago
Grudge holding is exactly NOT what Jesus would do! And it is rampant in our conservative churches.
DerekA over 14 years ago
C. A - It is also strong in liberal churches - ref Rev. wright.
bmonk over 14 years ago
Yes–as a favorite religion prof once liked to say, “Christians have a remarkable dexterity for missing the point.” What is so hard to learn about forgiveness and love? About not counting the cost but choosing to be vulnerable, as Jesus chose to be vulnerable?