La Cucaracha by Lalo Alcaraz for September 02, 2010

Yeah, i’m sure that it’s just draining our coffers dry and is not actually contributing to society in any tangible way, EScott2U.

Stop worrying about the Brown Boogie Monster from South of the Border. It’s a red herring.

A huge red herring. As if there were an epidemic. As if half our ancestors didn’t come here without documentation, either.

EScott2U You’re all wet. We do not believe they should be able to do that (Democrats). I’d like to get through to the lady who knocks the hispanics who come in illegally, yet her mother was an illegal. Oh, yes she was European. Some people are just plain stupid. Would the illegals be here if there wasn’t work to do? Idiots in this country won’t “stoop” to do “that kind of work”.

There can be no resolution to the immigration question as long as Americans forget that this country was founded on HUMAN rights, not just American rights.

A free country has the right to bar entry to criminals and the dangerously contagious, but that’s it. Any restrictions beyond that violate the rights of the would-be immigrants (and of Americans who would want to deal with them, such as prospective employers).

The issue of citizenship is more complicated but should still be based on individual rights. Voting, for example, is a civil right but not a fundamental human right, and the citizens of a free country do have the right to place restrictions on citizenship. But a free country, particularly one with America’s immigrant history, should be glad to grant citizenship to hard-working honest people from all over the world with only a few reasonable restrictions, like understanding English, having some means of support, and declaring allegiance to fundamental American principles.

As for the idea of opposing illegal immigration just because it is illegal, that ignores the discriminatory, even racist, background of America’s last 90 years of immigration law. I view these laws like I do Prohibition: bad law just begging to be broken by honest people.

(While I’m grateful for EScott’s historical analysis, I’m not sure it isn’t just a rationalization for an existing anti-immigrant position. While I do not know EScott’s personal views, it strongly appears to me that too much anti-immigrant sentiment is racist, which Americans should reject in favor of policies based on individual rights and American freedom.)

A quick googling will reveal that EScott2U’s “historical analysis” is simply a copied-and-pasted Ann Coulter column.

What about ‘Illegal’ don’t you guys understand???

Is a bank robber an ‘undocumented withdrawer’?

PSCHEARER I agreed with some of what you said till you threw the Race Card. Besides human, what race? My ancestry fleeing genocide from the English (half the population of Ireland murdered in one year) came here , many in chains to a land who did not want those dirty Catholics. Were they another race? Are Hispanics a separate race. Since when?

I would like the name one one country without immigration control. What? How bout your socialist European examples of peace and brotherhood. France did what last week?

Do you think the immigration quotas are pulled out of a hat? Future labors needs are not considered? Do you think they screen for disease just to employ nurses?

Just open the doors, like we did with Cuba that one time. Boy, did they send us some model citizens

Are you listening, Messrs. Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly and Limbaugh?

Harley: Then close it officially and stop guessing.

Actually, enforcing our immigration laws via border security and expedited deportations of ALL illegal aliens and their voracious crumb munchers will solve every problem in the known universe - or at least California.

First, it will probably reduce traffic congestion by at least 25%, effectively adding more lanes to all existing roadways at zero cost to the taxpayer. This will also eliminate millions of uninsured drivers in clapped-out Camrys and the thousands of Toyota pickups stacked 10 feet high with pallets, junk or gardening equipment, of which substantial pieces often fall off on the freeway, killing people in oncoming cars, ask me how I know.

Second, hospitals can begin reopening all those trauma centers that closed down due to illegals using them as their primary care physician, thereby providing adequate care to the person who was just struck by a ladder that fell off some illegal alien’s truck.

Third, caltrans can save hundreds of millions of dollars annually not having to repair the graffiti damage that has blighted the sound barriers and overpasses of public roadways the last 20 years. (The San Fernando Valley was virtually graffiti-free until 1992).

Fourth, our school systems will start running budget surpluses because they won’t be wasting resources educating millions of children whose families don’t pay into the system and refuse to have the common courtesy to learn English. The knock on effect will be higher test scores, a lower dropout rate and subsequent eligibility for more federal funding.

Fifth, our failing, budget-strapped prison system will no longer be overburdened by illegal aliens, again further solving the state’s budget problems.

Sixth, since you’re going to ask the inevitable ‘whose going to pick your vegetables’ question, the answer would be the remaining gringos in the prison system. Put them out in the fields on chain gangs and have them EARN their way through prison, again further mitigating the state’s budget woes.

Seventh, I can finally get decent service at fast food joints without a bunch of uneducated automatons interrupting me with “choo want the combo??”

Eighth, I will never again have to press one for English.

Ninth, formerly nice neighborhoods that have been turned into third-world ghettos can slowly begin returning to being nice neighborhoods. Entire blocks of Van Nuys, Reseda, Tarzana and Canoga park can have all those ugly, overcrowded (three families per unit) tenements torn down that are being paid for by ME via section 8 certificates.

Tenth, since the majority of identity theft in this country is driven by the need to provide illegal aliens with false documentation, that life-destroying crime can finally be substantially mitigated.

Fun Fact: Anti-immigrant fear is often stoked for political effect in bad economic times.

Red. Herring.

Republicans aren’t the ones killing babies in the womb. Democrats, why do YOU hate babies?

wonder how many undocumented workers closed US factories and shipped the jobs overseas?

wonder how many undocumented workers would get hired if the CEOs of the various hotel chains, meat packing plants etc that hired them were looking at huge fines and jail time for hiring them.

wonder how many of those workers would have stayed on their farms in Mexico had NAFTA not ruined the Mexican farm economy thanks to corporate farm subsidies in the US

it’s all about cheap labor for the conservatives

If the first breath you drew was in a free America, you are a free American. That cannot be changed because the Constitution also prohibits ex post facto laws that try to change the rules after the dice have been thrown. Find a law that says my Great-howevermany-Grandpa wasn’t a citizen because his Daddy stowed away during the Irish potato famine. Entry doesn’t get get much more illegal than that. People have always come to America to escape poverty & breath free. With work, luck & faith, some make it.

During times of economic hardship unscruplous politicians will always pick out a minority group and try to blame all of societies ills on that group. Disgruntiled citizens will always want to blame somebody that is easy to target as causing all of the problems and fall in line with the unscruplous politicians.

That is the total reason for the current political backlash against Illegal immigrants. Call them Illegal immigrants or undocumented or whatever you want. They did not cause millions of U.S. citizens to lose their job to offshoring. Wall Street did that. They did not cause the greatest recession since the Great Depression. Wall Street did that also. They do not cause wages to remain stagnant and no growth in personal income. U.S. business that hire illegal immigrants are doing that.

The only reason why the groups (Wall Street and U.S. Employers) are not targeted for causing the problems is because they are big and powerful and can fight back. Illegal immigrants are weak powerless and cannot stop what is happening to them. That is the reason for all of the animosity directed toward them by both politicians and citizens.

Hey Harley-

Freedom is indeed not free, but what about all of the soldiers who have been granted citizenship after serving tours of combat? Or worse, posthumously?

Should they not have been allowed to fight for this country? Should their families have been deported? Did they not make a contribution?

Re-flex, who said anything at all about hating women? I never said I was for or against abortion. I simply said Democrats are the ones who are killing babies in vitro (in the womb) and asked why they hate babies. Didn’t say I was anti-abortion at all. Just stated a fact. You drew a conclusion which was not warranted. Of course those who defend abortion HAVE to frame it as hating women to prevent abortion because there is no other logical reason to defend a procedure which is used when many more sensible alternatives have been ignored. Preventive and emergency contraception are two which come to mind instantly.