Not really look at the war with japan we were the bad guy for ending the war early with the bomb it does not matter that thousand of men would have be killed if we tried to attack. How about the war with the south they got into because the north was doing the same thing England was doing to us and what the us government is doing to us.
Another odd example of this is how biopics of people who lived within our own lives and memory can’t tell their story straight. Living witnesses to the events SHOULD know what really happened; but now the MOVIE says that it happened in a more dramatic, popcorn moment way. Does that become the official record, or do we know better?
ToborRedrum… that’s a paraphrase of Winston Churchill, who said," History is written by the victors," isn’t it? …History is also written by the victims, as well. Case in point in our recent past: the Holocaust victims. That did happen, and no amount of spin is going to make that go away. Hitler and others in Germany did horrendous things to their human victims, and not just during the war. But that history was not lost, because survivors were strong enough to bring the atrocities against them to light.
We are living George Orwell’s 1984. History gets revised daily! I have read many news stories online, and then seen them change the next day. And the entire school system teaches revised history every day. Rita’s comment is so factual that only a fool would claim that she is the dumb one.
Possibly the greatest truth to ever come out of Rita’s mouth.@geopardy yes it is reminiscent of those but it’s also a simple fact. Your history is often a case of who got to write it.
If memory serves the old Encarta dictionary in the west listed the Wright brothers for the first powered flight but in there Easter/Russian version they listed other people. I may be off there as I’m going from old memories.
We’ve already discussed the ‘winners’ quote, and why the losers also write their own history. It’s just a matter of which is the officially taught one, and which is the whispered one.
Well of course not. What administration is going to come out and say. “We’re about to pull a fast one on you.” They’re never going to say it. Nor did the last administration, or the ones before, nor will the next.
My school education was over in the 50s; everything else I have taught myself in various ways since then. In school I avoided the study of history (even as a child I knew it was dry and sanitized to an intolerable point.
I still only know US history that happened in my lifetime (from 1937) but that’s a lot. Most history I study is from 10th to 16th centuries because I like playing at living that. Even there, there are so many discrepancies in the books but it is fun to study and I love dressing in lots of silk and fur (even lots of linen and leather). I also study about the crafting techniques and games played in those times.
History was one of my best subjects in school- along with English. I used to score well on history tests if they had a lot of essay questions. Once in a while I hadn’t really studied, but I would answer the questions as logically as I could ("Now let;s see, why WOULD this have happened?) and get a good score. But when it came to dry recitation of dates, dates, dates- I didn’t do quite so well. My philosophy: schools need to concentrate a lot more on the why, before the worry so much about the when.
geopardy almost 11 years ago
Uh, Rita’s last comment is a bit too Hitler/Goebbels for comfort. It sounds rather like the big lie method.
Darsan54 Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Actually, Rita is closer to the truth than most of us like to admit.
Pharmakeus Ubik almost 11 years ago
In the form of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.
rini1946 almost 11 years ago
Not really look at the war with japan we were the bad guy for ending the war early with the bomb it does not matter that thousand of men would have be killed if we tried to attack. How about the war with the south they got into because the north was doing the same thing England was doing to us and what the us government is doing to us.
vwdualnomand almost 11 years ago
there are apps for windows?
ToborRedrum almost 11 years ago
History is a fiction written by the victorious to justify their crimes against the vanquished.
Thomas Scott Roberts creator almost 11 years ago
Another odd example of this is how biopics of people who lived within our own lives and memory can’t tell their story straight. Living witnesses to the events SHOULD know what really happened; but now the MOVIE says that it happened in a more dramatic, popcorn moment way. Does that become the official record, or do we know better?
invertedyesterday almost 11 years ago
ToborRedrum… that’s a paraphrase of Winston Churchill, who said," History is written by the victors," isn’t it? …History is also written by the victims, as well. Case in point in our recent past: the Holocaust victims. That did happen, and no amount of spin is going to make that go away. Hitler and others in Germany did horrendous things to their human victims, and not just during the war. But that history was not lost, because survivors were strong enough to bring the atrocities against them to light.
corpcasselbury almost 11 years ago
Spoken like a true historical revisionist, Rita.
katina.cooper almost 11 years ago
If you can delete history from the books and then re-write your history to the books, then the lie becomes the truth.
Dwilesjr almost 11 years ago
Truth is all a matter of perception.
bransom almost 11 years ago
We are living George Orwell’s 1984. History gets revised daily! I have read many news stories online, and then seen them change the next day. And the entire school system teaches revised history every day. Rita’s comment is so factual that only a fool would claim that she is the dumb one.
marauderdeuce almost 11 years ago
Possibly the greatest truth to ever come out of Rita’s mouth.@geopardy yes it is reminiscent of those but it’s also a simple fact. Your history is often a case of who got to write it.
If memory serves the old Encarta dictionary in the west listed the Wright brothers for the first powered flight but in there Easter/Russian version they listed other people. I may be off there as I’m going from old memories.
wes tnt almost 11 years ago
Rita, what’s that you’re eating?
Thomas Scott Roberts creator almost 11 years ago
We’ve already discussed the ‘winners’ quote, and why the losers also write their own history. It’s just a matter of which is the officially taught one, and which is the whispered one.
Thomas Scott Roberts creator almost 11 years ago
Well of course not. What administration is going to come out and say. “We’re about to pull a fast one on you.” They’re never going to say it. Nor did the last administration, or the ones before, nor will the next.
Pharmakeus Ubik almost 11 years ago
Are you saying that the Christians would have left them alone if they had stuck with Zoroastrianism and Mithraism?
vldazzle almost 11 years ago
My school education was over in the 50s; everything else I have taught myself in various ways since then. In school I avoided the study of history (even as a child I knew it was dry and sanitized to an intolerable point.
I still only know US history that happened in my lifetime (from 1937) but that’s a lot. Most history I study is from 10th to 16th centuries because I like playing at living that. Even there, there are so many discrepancies in the books but it is fun to study and I love dressing in lots of silk and fur (even lots of linen and leather). I also study about the crafting techniques and games played in those times.
Thomas Scott Roberts creator almost 11 years ago
History was one of my best subjects in school- along with English. I used to score well on history tests if they had a lot of essay questions. Once in a while I hadn’t really studied, but I would answer the questions as logically as I could ("Now let;s see, why WOULD this have happened?) and get a good score. But when it came to dry recitation of dates, dates, dates- I didn’t do quite so well. My philosophy: schools need to concentrate a lot more on the why, before the worry so much about the when.
tammyspeakslife Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Exactly
Hectoruno almost 11 years ago
History is written by the survivors. It says a lot about mankind that most of the time those are also the victors.
K M almost 11 years ago
Unfortunately, there’s more truth to what Rita believes than she knows.