I think it’s pretty neat that you don’t actually have to show your income to get other taxpayers to pay for your healthcare!Dems just tell us to state your income with no verification!Because that worked SO well when Barney Frank and his boys pushed that for mortgages a few years back!
A couple of questions: who do you think pays for the care people receive “free” at emergency rooms? Why, if you’re pro-life, isn’t free health care also a right?
And one more: What the hell are Republicans and their supporters so damn afraid of if people get the care they need? We already have death panels – they’re called insurance companies.
Have any links that aren’t from right-wing Obama haters? How about this quote from the Congressional Budget Office…" CBO projects that the Affordable Care Act will, unless Congress reverses some of its provisions in the future, reduce the long-term fiscal gap — the amount by which revenues must be raised or spending cut to produce a stable debt trajectory — by 2 percent of GDP over the next 75-years."
When will y’all realize that you are already paying the bills for people who show up at emergency rooms with no insurance? The ACA actually LOWERS the expense.
Part of ACA, which I know you haven’t actually researched, requires hospitals to charge lower rates because they will no longer be writing off huge losses at ER rates. When hospitals charge less, everyone saves money. There’s your how.
“I’ll bet social security had quite a time of it back in the 30s, no thanks to the conservatives of that era..”I’ve been predicting that in another 10 years, Republicans will be campaigning as the protectors & originators of the ACA. They’ll regret having called it Obamacare & need to come up with a new name, but many voters have short memories.
Obamacare supporters, including cartoonists, need to read this article about “unintended consequences” (my analysis of the article) in American cities that negatively effect employment and jobs and ordinary people’s incomes=-http://www.nationalreview.com/article/355488/leviathan-eats-its-tail-jillian-kay-melchior-(author a Thomas L. Rhodes Fellow for the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity)
Back in the 70s in Ontario, everyone had to pay a quarterly fee for the government health insurance, but if you were below a certain income level you paid less or nothing. If you wanted to claim that you were low income, you had to go to the OHIP office and fill out a form, but so far as I know there was never any great scrutiny of the claims. Eventually the government decided that system was too clumsy, and they shifted to funding the system from provincial income taxes, which does the same job with less bureaucracy. All of these problems can be worked out if the society has the will to do it.
States that turned down Federal subsidies will see a rise.Florida turned down $51 billion, so that money will go to a state that likes Obamacare, and there rates will be much lower.
It is not true that people can get free health care at the ER. Yes, you will be taken care of if you show up with a problem, but you can’t walk into the ER and get your chemotherapy, cataract surgery, physical therapy after a stroke, ongoing care for diabetes, hypertension, or COPD (which will keep people out of the ER and the hospital). They won’t fill your prescription for your heart medication, but then they have to take care of you when you show up having a heart attack.
Umm… Maybe because those people are old and can’t work so that’s why we cover them.Same goes for the disabled.We are talking about able-bodied people who don’t want to work and get health insurance.You know, like the people that pick up your garbage and those that work at Home Depot.
what is sad about all those that are worried about better access to health care is that much of the same went on in 1965 with medicare. Just one quote from Reagan – “…telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.” Do some research then look at your extended family and friends. There are a lot of people that are alive because of medicare and we haven’t become a socialist state yet.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 10 years ago
C’mon everyone knows the best way to deal with a law you don’t like, is to pretend the Federal Government doesn’t exist.
ConserveGov over 10 years ago
I think it’s pretty neat that you don’t actually have to show your income to get other taxpayers to pay for your healthcare!Dems just tell us to state your income with no verification!Because that worked SO well when Barney Frank and his boys pushed that for mortgages a few years back!
3hourtour Premium Member over 10 years ago
..and to think it used to be the Show Me State…
Harolynne Premium Member over 10 years ago
A couple of questions: who do you think pays for the care people receive “free” at emergency rooms? Why, if you’re pro-life, isn’t free health care also a right?
And one more: What the hell are Republicans and their supporters so damn afraid of if people get the care they need? We already have death panels – they’re called insurance companies.
bigdoggy over 10 years ago
Have any links that aren’t from right-wing Obama haters? How about this quote from the Congressional Budget Office…" CBO projects that the Affordable Care Act will, unless Congress reverses some of its provisions in the future, reduce the long-term fiscal gap — the amount by which revenues must be raised or spending cut to produce a stable debt trajectory — by 2 percent of GDP over the next 75-years."
bigdoggy over 10 years ago
Yeah, because no one hated those slavery laws…
When will y’all realize that you are already paying the bills for people who show up at emergency rooms with no insurance? The ACA actually LOWERS the expense.
bigdoggy over 10 years ago
CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE, not the White House. Facts are fearsome things, but it doesn’t change a thing to slander them.
bigdoggy over 10 years ago
Part of ACA, which I know you haven’t actually researched, requires hospitals to charge lower rates because they will no longer be writing off huge losses at ER rates. When hospitals charge less, everyone saves money. There’s your how.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 10 years ago
“I’ll bet social security had quite a time of it back in the 30s, no thanks to the conservatives of that era..”I’ve been predicting that in another 10 years, Republicans will be campaigning as the protectors & originators of the ACA. They’ll regret having called it Obamacare & need to come up with a new name, but many voters have short memories.
disgustedtaxpayer over 10 years ago
Obamacare supporters, including cartoonists, need to read this article about “unintended consequences” (my analysis of the article) in American cities that negatively effect employment and jobs and ordinary people’s incomes=-http://www.nationalreview.com/article/355488/leviathan-eats-its-tail-jillian-kay-melchior-(author a Thomas L. Rhodes Fellow for the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity)
lonecat over 10 years ago
Back in the 70s in Ontario, everyone had to pay a quarterly fee for the government health insurance, but if you were below a certain income level you paid less or nothing. If you wanted to claim that you were low income, you had to go to the OHIP office and fill out a form, but so far as I know there was never any great scrutiny of the claims. Eventually the government decided that system was too clumsy, and they shifted to funding the system from provincial income taxes, which does the same job with less bureaucracy. All of these problems can be worked out if the society has the will to do it.
rockngolfer over 10 years ago
States that turned down Federal subsidies will see a rise.Florida turned down $51 billion, so that money will go to a state that likes Obamacare, and there rates will be much lower.
pirate227 over 10 years ago
Just when I thought the GOP couldn’t be more juvenile.
kpmarcks Premium Member over 10 years ago
It is not true that people can get free health care at the ER. Yes, you will be taken care of if you show up with a problem, but you can’t walk into the ER and get your chemotherapy, cataract surgery, physical therapy after a stroke, ongoing care for diabetes, hypertension, or COPD (which will keep people out of the ER and the hospital). They won’t fill your prescription for your heart medication, but then they have to take care of you when you show up having a heart attack.
ConserveGov over 10 years ago
Umm… Maybe because those people are old and can’t work so that’s why we cover them.Same goes for the disabled.We are talking about able-bodied people who don’t want to work and get health insurance.You know, like the people that pick up your garbage and those that work at Home Depot.
lopaka over 10 years ago
what is sad about all those that are worried about better access to health care is that much of the same went on in 1965 with medicare. Just one quote from Reagan – “…telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.” Do some research then look at your extended family and friends. There are a lot of people that are alive because of medicare and we haven’t become a socialist state yet.