I’m from an industrial background where masks are used to prevent people from inhaling stuff. It took me a while to realize that with covid the intend is to prevent an infected person from spreading it rather than to prevent infection by those around you. If a person is asymptomatic o mildly symptomatic they can spread the virus and the mask is to reduce that spread. It also helps to protect you from infection but the big benefit is to keep it from spreading.
If unchecked the virus has an R factor some where around 6 and the curve rises exponentially. When people use masks and act responsibly the curve goes down which means the R factor is reduced to less than 1 and will eventually disappear. That’s proof that masks and hand washing works
If you think masks don’t work tell that to the surgeon next time you’re in for an operation. Tell him masks don’t work and not to bother to wear one and not to bother washing his hands. Listen to what he says.
Wearing a mask is being respectful of those around you and shows your intelligence. Not wearing a mask is being selfish. Be a responsible adult and wear a mask
I’m not really clear on this whole “resist the tyranny of wearing masks” stuff. None of these people are complaining about the tyranny of wearing pants.
Some covid patients are yelling at their nurses to give them the magical drugs that the orange thing had at the same time yelling that covid is a hoax.
The yelling stops when they are finally put on a ventilator!
How true could this one be? The following is from WAPO November 16th.————
Jodi Doering, an emergency room nurse in South Dakota, was overwhelmed Saturday night. Her patients were dying of covid-19, yet were still in denial about the pandemic’s existence.
It’s like a “horror movie that never ends,” Doering wrote on Twitter. Her anxiety and despair are shared by many health-care workers who are facing a dramatic surge in covid-19 patients. But some front-line workers, like Doering, also face the emotional toll of treating patients who, despite being severely ill, are reluctant to acknowledge that they have been infected with a virus that President Trump has said will simply disappear.
Doering said she has covid-19 patients who need 100-percent-oxygen breathing assistance and who will also swear they don’t have the illness that has ended the lives of nearly a quarter-million people in the United States since February.
“I think the hardest thing to watch is that people are still looking for something else and a magic answer and they do not want to believe covid is real,” Doering told CNN in an interview Monday. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real,’” Doering said, adding that some patients prefer to believe that they have pneumonia or other diseases rather than covid-19, despite seeing their positive test results.
We lost the battle with COVID-19 the day Trump told a rally that it was all “a hoax.” After that it was all us vs. them (the doctors, the media, people in masks, Democrats, reality…) instead of us vs. the virus. They’ve been fighting reality ever since. PS: reality always wins.
A guy from Terminix came to check for termites yesterday. He was wearing a mask, but said he wore it only because Terminix requires it. I asked if he wasn’t worried about getting the virus and he said “No. It’s not preventable, so wearing a mask can’t prevent it.” I asked if he voted for Trump and he said that he doesn’t discuss politics. Gee, wonder why. We had a 10-minute discussion about it and he was in total denial. Claimed that the only way to catch it was by touching doorknobs, etc. I asked if he was going to get the vaccine when it is ready and he said no. The last two electricians to come to our house were unmasked. Try to guess whether our state was Red or Blue.
And in Texas, where the government is still in denial, cases are soaring and hospital beds filling up. Dying for the economy… what a political philosophy!
My father-in-law’s monument will probably read, “I’m fine.” He tries to kill himself with neglect. My wife found him, hours from death, one time with pneumonia and two serious infections. “I’m fine,” he weakly moaned as she took him to the emergency room. (I won’t list the other times my wife, or her sister, or her husband has taken him in.) His other favorite line, “I can take care of myself.”
I think it has been demonstrated that 40% of the US population considers the public good an assault on their FREEDUMB! So telling them wearing a mask (properly nose-hangers) will protect other people doesn’t work.
You know what? I find wearing a seatbelt uncomfortable and I feel that it goes against my Constitutional rights. So from now on I will not be wearing a seatbelt when I drive. That will show all you commies that I am an American and will not be shamed into wearing a strap across my chest that makes it hard for me to breath(I have a “condition”). In fact, I find the whole speed limit thing to be an abridgement of my freedom to drive as fast as I want, and from now on I will not be held down by a socialist plot to stop me from getting from point A to point B as fast as I possibly can. I also feel that, as an American, I have the right to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater if I so desire and I take no responsibility for any harm caused by that action. And I won’t wear a mask.
Yes, there really ARE folks THIS STUPID! INCLUDING one new member of the House of Representatives. Marjorie Taylor Green, a Q-anon believing LUNATIC from Georgia, actually had the AUDACITY to spew “My Body, My Choice” in response to the House Rule that Masks are mandatory. And yes, she’s a Republican, the SAME PARTY that wants to DENY WOMEN the ability to choose whether they have a legal abortion or not! Apparently, no other women are supposed to be able to say “My Body, MY Choice”!!
Sometimes “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” means you have to do something you don’t like to get something you want. Maybe we do not all have to march away to war, but we can all do our part. Is it so hard to wear a mask?
If only the masks worked the other way and only protected the wearer. The resulting Darwinian process would make the human race collectively more intelligent.
If your doctor checks you over for something and says you need a mask, you will generally go along, because you know he’s concerned about your health. So, a whole world of doctors and others have said that entire populations should wear masks to avoid infection and death.
WHEN DID THAT BECOME A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE???
We elect individuals [who bear from marginal to outstanding abilities] to direct the government for our welfare. Yet when it comes to a situation as dire as the 1918 flu, we balk, deride, and physically resist their entreaties, thereby endangering ourselves, our families, and others.
GET REAL, FOLKS. THIS AIN’T ROCKET SCIENCE. People of every age, condition, race, religion, ability are dying daily. If by wearing the mask and washing your hands you could save your family or another, why wouldn’t you want to do that?
Just wear the **** mask for the few minutes or so that you need to (NOT referring to medical/first responder personell). Better than being potentially dead, possibly killing others, and/or protecting yourself to a certain degree. IF you MUST make this political and feel that your rights are being crushed, it is only the right to be a jerk or to be dead that is in contention. Wear the **** mask AND cover your nose, too.
The “masks don’t work” comment are usually made because masks won’t prevent you from getting the virus. That point is well taken. However, the real point of wearing a mask is that it prevents you from spreading the virus. In that capacity, masks are a great help, as is distancing and good handwashing. Of course, it presupposes you do not wish to spread the virus. Look your spouse or child in the eye, and tell them that your freedom is more important than their health. (In Texas, tell your aged mother or father or uncle or aunt or grandmother or grandfather how helpful their death will be to the economy, and be sure to thank them for their sacrifice.) /s
Masks aren’t a panacea. They also aren’t 100% effective. They can slow the infection rate to a manageable level that won’t overwhelm medical staff. You’re only biding time for when a vaccine becomes available. I’m sure the first to riot when it does come available will be from those who don’t wear masks… Face it, you’re in this for the long haul. If you don’t like it, go take your complaints to a funeral home. They’ll be happy to make your arrangements.
Make note of such jerks now that they are literally exposing themselves. Later they will want your trust about something – remember how they behaved when your well-being was at risk.
Excellent and thorough description. To paraphrase what others have said, a mask doesn’t block the virus, but it sure slows it down a lot. And if you catch the virus by not masking, you probably won’t die, and may not even get sick, but you WILL spread it to enough others that somewhere, someone will die because of you.
“non-woven medical masks work by electrostatic attraction. Consequently, they’re most effective when bone dry. Fabric masks, especially natural fiber ones, work more like a sieve, but since natural fibers swell when wet, they become significantly more effective when wet.”
THANK YOU! I do not know if this is true, BUT I intend to research it! If true, I learned a new fact today and for that I am ALWAYS grateful! I love finding out new information! Thanks again! :D
Let them die…..Let them die…..They don’t deserve any ca-a-are!Let them die…..Let them di-ie…..They’re only wastes of air!They were sure….that Covid’s fa-ake….Let them pay the PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE,‘Cause that’s the decision they chose to make.
I just read a projection that if the current situation does not improve the US will have more than 450,000 dead by March 1. So only just a little more than half way there now.
In brief, the nine principal plays in the denialist guidebook are:
1) Sow doubt about the science/experts or the system,
2) Question scientists’ and experts’ motives and integrity,
3) Magnify (customary and valid) disagreements among experts,
4) Cite gadflies as authorities, or refuse to provide valid cites,
5) Exaggerate potential harm,
6) Appeal to personal freedom,
7) Reject anything that might repudiate a key denialist philosophy,
8) If something inconvenient is mentioned, change the subject,
9) Relentlessly hammer the desired message home to everyone.
The purpose of this denialist playbook is to advance inconsequential or disprovable rhetorical arguments that give the appearance of legitimate debate when there is none. It also is to establish in the public mind that the arguments are ‘truth’ because they have been repeated so often. Recall, if you will, that this is a set of techniques developed and refined over centuries by extremest manipulators.
When you see someone using any of these techniques as a method of persuasion, it indicates a person who is fundamentally dishonest. Refuse to place that person in a position of power. And remember, most people who attain cult-like, demigod status use this playbook. If you accept them, then you also accept playing by their rules. It is far more difficult to dislodge such a person after the fact than it is to refuse to grant them that position in the first place.
I just had major surgery. while my wife visited she removed her mask. one the medical professionals entered the room and she went to put on the mask. he said “don’t worry they don’t work unless they are rated n2.5 the virus goes right through that mask and even i don’t have ab n2.5.” it’s all smoke and mirrors folks
During World War II, America and its citizens faced unimaginable, by today’s standards, sacrifices, rationing and other social restrictions in order to defeat a common enemy. Our grandparents and parents did what needed to be done to order to rise to the occasion to defeat the collective enemy threat. The war lasted four plus years and cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Now, can anyone think of our grandparents and parents taking a stand that’s been thrown around since the beginning of the pandemic about personal freedom, constitutional rights to not follow basic safety recommendations to protect its citizens? They toughed it out for duration of the war, while not liking the sacrifices they had the make, they did so because not to, would mean the possibility of losing the war, it was the tight and patriotic thing to do for the good of the country.
It bears repeating, masks don’t and didn’t work for Covid, though they certainly work for larger particulates. Whereas thorough hand washing does work well, as long
as you don’t use a hand air dryer, which has been proven to spread skin cells carrying germs as much as 12-14 feet away from the person drying their hands. AND, the interior of a hand dryer is warm and moist, the perfect place to grow molds and bacteria. Better and safer to dry your hands on your pants.
Vilyehm over 3 years ago
Well, if drawn recently, at least he got to vote one last time.
I Mad Am I over 3 years ago
Modern times funeral – everyone mourns from different States.
The Pro from Dover over 3 years ago
Always punt on 4th Down
eastern.woods.metal over 3 years ago
It bears repeating
Wearing masks and washing hands works.
I’m from an industrial background where masks are used to prevent people from inhaling stuff. It took me a while to realize that with covid the intend is to prevent an infected person from spreading it rather than to prevent infection by those around you. If a person is asymptomatic o mildly symptomatic they can spread the virus and the mask is to reduce that spread. It also helps to protect you from infection but the big benefit is to keep it from spreading.
If unchecked the virus has an R factor some where around 6 and the curve rises exponentially. When people use masks and act responsibly the curve goes down which means the R factor is reduced to less than 1 and will eventually disappear. That’s proof that masks and hand washing works
If you think masks don’t work tell that to the surgeon next time you’re in for an operation. Tell him masks don’t work and not to bother to wear one and not to bother washing his hands. Listen to what he says.
Wearing a mask is being respectful of those around you and shows your intelligence. Not wearing a mask is being selfish. Be a responsible adult and wear a mask
eastern.woods.metal over 3 years ago
Wearing masks is not just a health issue. It’s also an intelligence test. No surprise that Repulicans are failing that test.
Concretionist over 3 years ago
Hindsight isn’t TOO hard. Thinking is harder. Foresight is harder yet. Now add an inclination to agree with people who have very bad ideas…
in.amongst over 3 years ago
He got unmasked, didn’t he!?!
GreasyOldTam over 3 years ago
I’m not really clear on this whole “resist the tyranny of wearing masks” stuff. None of these people are complaining about the tyranny of wearing pants.
mattro65 over 3 years ago
I imagine that coffin is a mite bit more restrictive than a mask.
Kind&Kinder over 3 years ago
Like the brain-damaged patients who demanded freedom from helmets!
kaffekup over 3 years ago
If you don’t like wearing a mask, you’ll just love wearing a ventilator.
braindead Premium Member over 3 years ago
No comments from Trump Disciples demanding to liberate Utah, the Dakotas, Ohio?
A Trump Disciple is someone who can look at a covid map of Kansas and not see any pattern.
pauljmsn over 3 years ago
I would be interested in knowing what a surgeon thinks of the whole “masks-aren’t-necessary” thing.
Sanspareil over 3 years ago
Some covid patients are yelling at their nurses to give them the magical drugs that the orange thing had at the same time yelling that covid is a hoax.
The yelling stops when they are finally put on a ventilator!
admiree2 over 3 years ago
A memorable one, Wiley!
admiree2 over 3 years ago
How true could this one be? The following is from WAPO November 16th.————
Jodi Doering, an emergency room nurse in South Dakota, was overwhelmed Saturday night. Her patients were dying of covid-19, yet were still in denial about the pandemic’s existence.
It’s like a “horror movie that never ends,” Doering wrote on Twitter. Her anxiety and despair are shared by many health-care workers who are facing a dramatic surge in covid-19 patients. But some front-line workers, like Doering, also face the emotional toll of treating patients who, despite being severely ill, are reluctant to acknowledge that they have been infected with a virus that President Trump has said will simply disappear.
Doering said she has covid-19 patients who need 100-percent-oxygen breathing assistance and who will also swear they don’t have the illness that has ended the lives of nearly a quarter-million people in the United States since February.
“I think the hardest thing to watch is that people are still looking for something else and a magic answer and they do not want to believe covid is real,” Doering told CNN in an interview Monday. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real,’” Doering said, adding that some patients prefer to believe that they have pneumonia or other diseases rather than covid-19, despite seeing their positive test results.
———-And the beat goes on.
WGillete over 3 years ago
We lost the battle with COVID-19 the day Trump told a rally that it was all “a hoax.” After that it was all us vs. them (the doctors, the media, people in masks, Democrats, reality…) instead of us vs. the virus. They’ve been fighting reality ever since. PS: reality always wins.
WGillete over 3 years ago
Wear a mask. Wash your hands. And do whatever Trump doesn’t. Be well, all!
PleaseStay6PixelsAway over 3 years ago
A guy from Terminix came to check for termites yesterday. He was wearing a mask, but said he wore it only because Terminix requires it. I asked if he wasn’t worried about getting the virus and he said “No. It’s not preventable, so wearing a mask can’t prevent it.” I asked if he voted for Trump and he said that he doesn’t discuss politics. Gee, wonder why. We had a 10-minute discussion about it and he was in total denial. Claimed that the only way to catch it was by touching doorknobs, etc. I asked if he was going to get the vaccine when it is ready and he said no. The last two electricians to come to our house were unmasked. Try to guess whether our state was Red or Blue.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 3 years ago
And in Texas, where the government is still in denial, cases are soaring and hospital beds filling up. Dying for the economy… what a political philosophy!
mobrien1019 Premium Member over 3 years ago
did he supposedly get “Covid” or did the govt kill him for not wearing a mask?
Lawrence.S over 3 years ago
My father-in-law’s monument will probably read, “I’m fine.” He tries to kill himself with neglect. My wife found him, hours from death, one time with pneumonia and two serious infections. “I’m fine,” he weakly moaned as she took him to the emergency room. (I won’t list the other times my wife, or her sister, or her husband has taken him in.) His other favorite line, “I can take care of myself.”
Nyckname over 3 years ago
The best are when they’re fundy preachers.
Guess didn’t pray hard enough.
Ignatz Premium Member over 3 years ago
The problem isn’t that he died, it’s that he infected a whole bunch of other people on the way there.
artmer over 3 years ago
Oh, if only…
david_42 over 3 years ago
I think it has been demonstrated that 40% of the US population considers the public good an assault on their FREEDUMB! So telling them wearing a mask (properly nose-hangers) will protect other people doesn’t work.
Znox11 over 3 years ago
You know what? I find wearing a seatbelt uncomfortable and I feel that it goes against my Constitutional rights. So from now on I will not be wearing a seatbelt when I drive. That will show all you commies that I am an American and will not be shamed into wearing a strap across my chest that makes it hard for me to breath(I have a “condition”). In fact, I find the whole speed limit thing to be an abridgement of my freedom to drive as fast as I want, and from now on I will not be held down by a socialist plot to stop me from getting from point A to point B as fast as I possibly can. I also feel that, as an American, I have the right to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater if I so desire and I take no responsibility for any harm caused by that action. And I won’t wear a mask.
Masterskrain Premium Member over 3 years ago
Yes, there really ARE folks THIS STUPID! INCLUDING one new member of the House of Representatives. Marjorie Taylor Green, a Q-anon believing LUNATIC from Georgia, actually had the AUDACITY to spew “My Body, My Choice” in response to the House Rule that Masks are mandatory. And yes, she’s a Republican, the SAME PARTY that wants to DENY WOMEN the ability to choose whether they have a legal abortion or not! Apparently, no other women are supposed to be able to say “My Body, MY Choice”!!
vaughnrl2003 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Sometimes “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” means you have to do something you don’t like to get something you want. Maybe we do not all have to march away to war, but we can all do our part. Is it so hard to wear a mask?
bobbyferrel over 3 years ago
If only the masks worked the other way and only protected the wearer. The resulting Darwinian process would make the human race collectively more intelligent.
sandpiper over 3 years ago
If your doctor checks you over for something and says you need a mask, you will generally go along, because you know he’s concerned about your health. So, a whole world of doctors and others have said that entire populations should wear masks to avoid infection and death.
WHEN DID THAT BECOME A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE???
We elect individuals [who bear from marginal to outstanding abilities] to direct the government for our welfare. Yet when it comes to a situation as dire as the 1918 flu, we balk, deride, and physically resist their entreaties, thereby endangering ourselves, our families, and others.
GET REAL, FOLKS. THIS AIN’T ROCKET SCIENCE. People of every age, condition, race, religion, ability are dying daily. If by wearing the mask and washing your hands you could save your family or another, why wouldn’t you want to do that?
Nate England over 3 years ago
Betcha he’s probably happier than those chumps right now. I rather join him. This “new normal” ain’t living.
DCBakerEsq over 3 years ago
I prefer a cowl to a mask. It protects my secret identity.
cracker65 over 3 years ago
Sad that this has happened repeatedly.
pheets over 3 years ago
Just wear the **** mask for the few minutes or so that you need to (NOT referring to medical/first responder personell). Better than being potentially dead, possibly killing others, and/or protecting yourself to a certain degree. IF you MUST make this political and feel that your rights are being crushed, it is only the right to be a jerk or to be dead that is in contention. Wear the **** mask AND cover your nose, too.
VickiP123 over 3 years ago
Darwinism will thin the herd…
wbezemek over 3 years ago
This is to sad to make jokes about. It’s like realizing the illegal votes Trump is talking about are the republicans who voted for Biden.
Bookworm over 3 years ago
The “masks don’t work” comment are usually made because masks won’t prevent you from getting the virus. That point is well taken. However, the real point of wearing a mask is that it prevents you from spreading the virus. In that capacity, masks are a great help, as is distancing and good handwashing. Of course, it presupposes you do not wish to spread the virus. Look your spouse or child in the eye, and tell them that your freedom is more important than their health. (In Texas, tell your aged mother or father or uncle or aunt or grandmother or grandfather how helpful their death will be to the economy, and be sure to thank them for their sacrifice.) /s
ATGMer over 3 years ago
Masks aren’t a panacea. They also aren’t 100% effective. They can slow the infection rate to a manageable level that won’t overwhelm medical staff. You’re only biding time for when a vaccine becomes available. I’m sure the first to riot when it does come available will be from those who don’t wear masks… Face it, you’re in this for the long haul. If you don’t like it, go take your complaints to a funeral home. They’ll be happy to make your arrangements.
VT8/VF84 over 3 years ago
When we all start traveling again by air, tell the TSA that you won’t remove your shoes before boarding. The bus station is around the corner!
mistercatworks over 3 years ago
Make note of such jerks now that they are literally exposing themselves. Later they will want your trust about something – remember how they behaved when your well-being was at risk.
awcoffman over 3 years ago
Excellent and thorough description. To paraphrase what others have said, a mask doesn’t block the virus, but it sure slows it down a lot. And if you catch the virus by not masking, you probably won’t die, and may not even get sick, but you WILL spread it to enough others that somewhere, someone will die because of you.
Another Take over 3 years ago
As George Carlin said, “everyone likes their own brand”
SylviSterling over 3 years ago
“non-woven medical masks work by electrostatic attraction. Consequently, they’re most effective when bone dry. Fabric masks, especially natural fiber ones, work more like a sieve, but since natural fibers swell when wet, they become significantly more effective when wet.”
THANK YOU! I do not know if this is true, BUT I intend to research it! If true, I learned a new fact today and for that I am ALWAYS grateful! I love finding out new information! Thanks again! :D
AndrewSihler over 3 years ago
That really is the pettiest hill to die on.
phoenixnyc over 3 years ago
Let them die…..Let them die…..They don’t deserve any ca-a-are!Let them die…..Let them di-ie…..They’re only wastes of air!They were sure….that Covid’s fa-ake….Let them pay the PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE,‘Cause that’s the decision they chose to make.
techie_42 over 3 years ago
I just read a projection that if the current situation does not improve the US will have more than 450,000 dead by March 1. So only just a little more than half way there now.
Schaller Handmade Knives over 3 years ago
Masks work? Tell that to these guys . . . . https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717#article_citing_articles
SrTechWriter over 3 years ago
Remember, folks, the description of a denialist:
In brief, the nine principal plays in the denialist guidebook are:
1) Sow doubt about the science/experts or the system,
2) Question scientists’ and experts’ motives and integrity,
3) Magnify (customary and valid) disagreements among experts,
4) Cite gadflies as authorities, or refuse to provide valid cites,
5) Exaggerate potential harm,
6) Appeal to personal freedom,
7) Reject anything that might repudiate a key denialist philosophy,
8) If something inconvenient is mentioned, change the subject,
9) Relentlessly hammer the desired message home to everyone.
The purpose of this denialist playbook is to advance inconsequential or disprovable rhetorical arguments that give the appearance of legitimate debate when there is none. It also is to establish in the public mind that the arguments are ‘truth’ because they have been repeated so often. Recall, if you will, that this is a set of techniques developed and refined over centuries by extremest manipulators.
When you see someone using any of these techniques as a method of persuasion, it indicates a person who is fundamentally dishonest. Refuse to place that person in a position of power. And remember, most people who attain cult-like, demigod status use this playbook. If you accept them, then you also accept playing by their rules. It is far more difficult to dislodge such a person after the fact than it is to refuse to grant them that position in the first place.
thedogesl Premium Member over 3 years ago
He must have lived here in Missouri, where we are now the “don’t show me any facts” state.
GERARD SMITH Premium Member over 3 years ago
I just had major surgery. while my wife visited she removed her mask. one the medical professionals entered the room and she went to put on the mask. he said “don’t worry they don’t work unless they are rated n2.5 the virus goes right through that mask and even i don’t have ab n2.5.” it’s all smoke and mirrors folks
Bicycle Dude over 3 years ago
During World War II, America and its citizens faced unimaginable, by today’s standards, sacrifices, rationing and other social restrictions in order to defeat a common enemy. Our grandparents and parents did what needed to be done to order to rise to the occasion to defeat the collective enemy threat. The war lasted four plus years and cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Now, can anyone think of our grandparents and parents taking a stand that’s been thrown around since the beginning of the pandemic about personal freedom, constitutional rights to not follow basic safety recommendations to protect its citizens? They toughed it out for duration of the war, while not liking the sacrifices they had the make, they did so because not to, would mean the possibility of losing the war, it was the tight and patriotic thing to do for the good of the country.
hagridogre 4 months ago
It bears repeating, masks don’t and didn’t work for Covid, though they certainly work for larger particulates. Whereas thorough hand washing does work well, as long
as you don’t use a hand air dryer, which has been proven to spread skin cells carrying germs as much as 12-14 feet away from the person drying their hands. AND, the interior of a hand dryer is warm and moist, the perfect place to grow molds and bacteria. Better and safer to dry your hands on your pants.