I don’t deny global warming, but …. Well, maybe I do. … or do I? But how’s it happening - man-made or solar? Yeah, it must be the sun that’s warming us up so that Dallas, TX, had its first white Christmas in 81 years. Go figger.
yeah, if there was global warming, my beach bar would be under water by now. gore may have scared alot of people,
but not us. we’re all still high and……..well you know what i mean. florida is florida. hey, ben, thought you were a tejas guy. Austin myself. more nog with that ‘q or maybe a shiner?
Global warming,and freezing have been going on as long as the earth is old.It’s cyclicle,and will happen again.
Imagine how bad Global freezing would be to us in South Fla.
Man influences his environment, of that there can be no doubt. Global Climate Change is real and is being influenced by our actions. It would be sound policy to change our ways, whether you are in denial or not. A cleaner environment is better for all and the elimination of the use of fossil fuels leaves us free from the manipulations of other countries.
wndrwrthg, Stop breathing. That will help “clean the environment” of the CO2 you breath out. Calling CO2 dangerous is crazy. Notice that the Global Warming nuts are now calling it “Global Climate Change”. That way when it turns out we are cooling, they can say they were right. Algore is making a fortune from this hoax.
Whatever you want to call it, here’s the kicker. We are pumping more energy into the heat engine we call climate, and it’s not (to paraphrase Gibson) evenly distributed. In short, that means our weather gets weirder. Have you noticed that? Thought so.
Humans breathe in oxygen, out CO2. Trees on the other hand, breathe in CO2, out oxygen. A nice symmetry there.
So let’s get busy planting (and taking care of) more trees, Mother Nature’s air conditioners. LA had a program to plant a bunch of trees, and gave away shoots to anybody who would sign up; most of them died in the car before they got home and planted, or were stuck in the ground and ignored.
The sad thing is all the people who won’t understand this cartoon because the fraud that was exposed in the scientific community was not covered in the mainstream press. At least Wiley is willing to mention it, even though it looks like he is still on the global warming bandwagon.
Global change is happening. It is all according to where it is warming and where it is cooling as to what a person believes. In my science classes as a young man, the idea was that air pollution would block the rays of the Sun and we would enter a new ice age. I argued that it would raise the temperature and we would enter a new greenhouse era because the Sun would strike the carbon molecules and warm our atmosphere. What I didn’t see was that the biggest changes would be in our oceans. (that was 60 years ago)
It’s funny! You can take it as it is and laugh - you don’t have to feel threatened by an idea that you don’t support - you can just laugh at the thought.
Or, maybe you can’t.
I skipped commenting yesterday so today it’s my turn to say …
THANKS Wiley! You do great art and humor, I like humor that makes me pause and think too.
Hope Santa brought you a mouth guard for Christmas - cause I can’t imagine reading all the comments that get posted without gritting my teeth so hard I’d be cracking my own teeth!
Didn’t Wiley explain this before? That the joke is visual, not political? Either way it is funny!
But since it was brought up I am going to be a little hypocritical and post a comment on global warming (sorry Wiley), because I do have to say I agree with pbarnrob. Whether or not you believe in global warming, pollution is just bad and the destruction of our forests isn’t great either. Lets take better care of the earth.
Well, there is no proof that intelligence is a survival trait - and as long as humanity is only located on this planet, I can promise you that even if we don’t foul our own nest badly enough to wipe us out, there is a asteroid with our name on it headed this way.
Whether is shows up tomorrow or 10,000 years from now - it’ll be a game changer - for sure.
Global warming, global cooling…. it’s all conjured up to make it look like the whole thing is our fault, by those who are willing to get government funds for their false blab because the’yre too stinking lazy to put forth effort to work.
Wow - the audience sure can turn nasty when Global Warming becomes the topic. I also agree about the “Pollution Problem” as being more Tangible - U Can See It, Smell It, Touch It & U Know IT’s ManMade.
As for the cartoon - I appreciate the “Seasonal Humor” of Santa Claus’ Global Warming of the North Pole. Unfortunately there are Glaciers Melting & Other documentable signs of seasonal pattern changes.
Perhaps what we have is better technology to document changes - ie computers, satellites, etc… So what if the Earth’s going through “The Change” like Menopause (hot flashes, cold sweats). It’s the extremes that I’m concerned about - Tornados in December?
the polar ice caps are melting – that is a fact, and sure the earth warms and cools over the course of millenia, but the burning of fossil fuels has accelerated that process dramatically.
just because it gets cold in winter does not disprove what is happening – it is right in front of our eyes, it’s not a hoax, it’s not some conspiracy.
those who believe it is a hoax, who deny it, who don’t think anything needs to be done are damning all our children and their children to misery – you are fiddling while Rome burns.
Haven’t we been over this all before? Santa’s in shorts, he traded his reindeer for kangaroos. The glaciers are melting, the oceans are rising. The right wings’ minds are vaporizing.
Actually, he best minds have achieved a consensus on global warming (that it is happening and that we helped), but they are opposed by some of the best-paid minds, those scientists who work for the oil companies (despite the fact that the petroleum scientists finnaly joined the consensus) and the prattling plethora of political pontificators Murdoch hires to spread his poisonous untruths.
In their world, the difference between climate (which is getting warmer) and weather (which is, because of the added energy in the system, becoming more volatile) is a hyping point. Fact is, for much of the country, the climate has to be warmer for the weather to include snow (a true alberta clipper arrives in dixie as a dry wind; a blizzard occurs when that cold air meets warmer, moister air from the gulf ).
Well, let’s see… The guys that do real science say that they can’t find anything that proves “manmade” global warming, and they find that the SUN has the most influence on our climate. (After all, all the other planets in our solar system are warming at the same rate as the Earth. So tell me again how my driving an SUV is warming Mars.)
The guys who believe in “manmade” global warming say “Trust us. We’re scientists. Ignore the fact that we lied through our teeth for the last ten years. This is too important for facts to get in the way.”
So, how many people want to give up their twenty-first century lifestyle for “Trust us”? Can I see a show of hands?
My guess is Santa is visiting the Florida office.
Trees are good – for producing O2 from CO2 and for otherwise filtering the air, for burning for warmth in the cold weather, for building houses (which, if built well, will last longer than the age of the trees used for them), for producing paper (which is recyclable).
Check out the stats. There are more acres of forest land in the US now than 100 years ago because of proper management. When loggers clear an area, they REPLANT. You can’t say that with petroleum.
But, speaking of petroleum, there are untapped resources in this country (US - Alaska, North & South Dakota, offshore, California) that would free us from OPEC for a century if the tree-huggers had a lick of common sense and cared more about PEOPLE than about owls and fish.
We may affect the earth’s weather, but it will continue to change up and down long after we are gone (and not gone because we burned a little carbon or oil).
I never bought the AGW claptrap. It doesn’t take an environmental scientist to see that the “science” behind it is very flimsy. Since when did “Sit down and shut up. The debate is over” replace the scientific method? Climategate is just the final stake in it’s heart.
“But Grin, that doesn’t invalidate the science behind it!”
No, that is the science behind it. Pull your head out of the sand (or wherever you’ve stuck it) and learn just what Climategate found. Otherwise just admit that AGW is a religion and the facts don’t matter. Who are the deniers now?
Thank you Mr. Miller…..
Whether you folks believe or not; a little information for your consideration:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/global-dimming/
http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/deforestation.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
http://www.who.int/uv/health/en/
http://poisoned.homestead.com/
http://scorecard.org/
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m1154683h792253v/
Peace……..
All the ignorant nonsense of global warming denial above shows that most people are sadly ignorant and disbelievers in science. The global community of many thousands of climate scientists has been studying this for decades. They have reached a very strong consensus based on massive amounts of evidence that human caused global warming is occurring. The consensus conclusions are presented annually by the IPCC (see below).
Note that all the governments involved endorse IPCC reports, and tone down the scientific reports for political reasons, so in fact the reports are more conservative that the scientific reports they are based on.
Essentially all the governments of the world endorse these reports on global warming. But of course the birthers, the teapartiers, the creationists, and all the other arrogant reality deniers in our society know better.
From www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.htm
The Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change is the leading body for the assessment of climate change, established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide the world with a clear scientific view on the current state of climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences.
The IPCC is a scientific body. It reviews and assesses the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change. It does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. Differing viewpoints existing within the scientific community are reflected in the IPCC reports.
The IPCC is an intergovernmental body, and it is open to all member countries of UN and WMO. Governments are involved in the IPCC work as they can participate in the review process and in the IPCC plenary sessions, where main decisions about the IPCC workprogramme are taken and reports are accepted, adopted and approved. The IPCC Bureau and Chairperson are also elected in the plenary sessions.
Because of its scientific and intergovernmental nature, the IPCC embodies a unique opportunity to provide rigorous and balanced scientific information to decision makers. By endorsing the IPCC reports, governments acknowledge the authority of their scientific content. The work of the organization is therefore policy-relevant and yet policy-neutral, never policy-prescriptive.
Environmental changes, in plant and animal species and habitat are well document. These changes are the result of climate change. Adaptation is slower than the change elements- species are disappearing.
Now if one of Wiley’s bears loses it’s food supply, and starts chewing on some of the denier propagandists, they may see the light?
the bears or the denier propagandists? what light?
the light from the fuel we burn? the light of understanding
(which by the way dosen’t exist)? settle back, calm down,
feel the warmth of the nog and the nice yule log on the hearth, tree huggers. let it go folks. now lets have a totty
and talk about religon. if you notice the bottles around the room, our fear monger is already there.
benbrilling, great line about the kangaroos…..look they are talking about 2 degrees warmer by the turn of the century. Yeah, I know. It doesn’t sound like that much. But we, now, are only six degrees from when there was a two mile high pile of ice on top of Michigan, 12,000 years ago. Unfortunately, we’ve picked up 3 of those degrees only in the last couple hundred years, just about the start of the industrial age. The natural warming (we are still coming out of the last ice age) has been doubled in a fraction of the 12,000 years. Do the math. I know, I know, it’s hard to get some people to think about things that take longer than their lifetime. Makes you wonder how they have the stamina to believe in God. There is much more proof that global warming is happening than that theory…
OK, pollution is bad, contributes to the problems of climate change, and makes Earth a worse place to live in. Greenies have been saying pretty much that since before the 60s. It has taken all this time for the pollies to catch up, but now they have decided they can tax it out of existence. What I find hard to see is that C02 (as ooposed to particulate emissions and other gases) is a major cause.
Love Santa in Shorts.
The thing I find strange about today’s strip (and it is rather funny) is the 2 boxes on his desk that say ‘Fear’ and ‘Monger’.
The so called global warming ‘deniers’ (like you were denying the holocaust or something equally horrible) are not trying to scare anyone - they just don’t believe in it.
The global warming fanatics, however, are definitely trying to scare the pants off of folks. You would think that the ‘Fear’ and ‘Monger’ boxes would be on their desks.
WOW , great observation ron…i’m glad i got through the other comments to get to yours. i know i know…i coulda just scrolled down and skipped some but i felt compelled to read all of them.to properly form an opinion,you should get as much facts on both sides of the subject.( i use “facts” loosely )
if you are closed to the other sides views,you aren’t being fair to the other side,or to your self.
well, thank you. i open at 10(sunup for some of us),close at 2 or 3(dark). after that it’s just the bottles and me, and they ain’t talking……so set ‘em up joe……
Michael McMillan: you have a short memory… it was 40 degrees and raining in Chicago all day yesterday! True, today I had to shovel a foot of snow out of the driveway (didn’t stop us from having a good Christmas get-together with the family, though)… but if you look at how it got here, it’s warm, moist air from the Gulf being sucked up by a powerful low pressure system. If, in fact, global warming exists, we in the midwest should see more extreme weather–hotter hot spells, colder cold snaps, and more violent storms–as the big mixing system called “midwestern weather” gets more energetic.
Notice I said “if”–I’m not sure what’s going on, and I’m trying to keep an open mind. It does look like much of the climate science (on both sides of the issue) has been compromised by corporate money. On the one side, you have the financial, nuclear and natural gas industries lining up to make money from “greener” technologies and “carbon cap and trade.” On the other side you have the coal and oil industries trying to preserve their status quo. The pursuit of truth doesn’t stand a chance against this kind of money…
Sorry for being blunt: but I cannot believe how many complete idiots there are on this forum! Global warming and the role of human activity (specifically, generation of massive amounts of CO2 through combustion of fossil fuels) is a simple scientific hypothesis for which there is ample and persuasive evidence generated by many scientists and scientific research institutes in various countries. Particular incidents such as a cold snap or snow in the Dallas TX area (a state that seems to be home to more than its fair share of right-wing morons) is not at all inconsistent with the measurable overall increases in average air and water temperatures. The plain fact is that human activity (mine included) is exhausting natural resources and generating pollution at a scale and pace which threaten to destroy the environment that makes our lives possible. So-called “conservatives” (who seem to be against conserving other than their own ignorance): wake up and see what’s at the end of your plastic forks! (Sorry–I forgot that conservatives probably will miss that particular literary allusion…no matter…they’re hopeless anyhow).
Its obvious from the Posts here that the NEA’s long range goal to dumb down Americans through third rate education is working. The same lunatics who claimed Freon was destroying the Ozone Layer (by the way, most developed nations are in the Northern Hemisphere and the Ozone Hole is over Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere), and 10 years ago claimed we were all going to FREEZE in a new Ice Age, are the same MORONs claiming Man-Made Global Warming. Short of an all-out Nuclear War, Mankind does not have the ability to change the Climate Globally. Yes, we can cause local changes by tearing out forests, etc. and we CAN pollute - But Climate Change? Ha-Ha-Ha. Dream On! I suppose the warmer Temperatures being measured on Mars is due to man-made global warming! Its the SUN STUPID!
A couple of Volcanoes put out more pollution and “Greenhouse” Gases (of which CO2 IS NOT ONE) in a week of eruption tha most developed nations produce in a year. By the Way, The reason the Ozone Hole is in the Southern Hemisphere is from the releases of Chlorine from Volcanoes (the Ring of Fire is mostly Southern Hemisphere) and from Lightning Strikes on Seawater (the Southern Hemisphere is mostly Ocean). Even the first manned orbital missions in the 60’s commented about all of the lightning over the southern oceans. Oh, for those too dumb to understand, LIghtning hitting Seawater generates Free Chlorine Gas, which can destroy Ozone if it gets into the high atmosphere.
Hey DRMOSE - The IPCC is a POLITICAL BODY of the UN with little, if ANY Scientific Credibility! The 6000 “Scientists” often quoted are mostly political appointees and not well regarded scientists. The so called Scientific Studies produced by the IPCC are nothing more than political propaganda against the West. They mostly parrot the fools in the UK that have been discredited many times now and the amount of BS they have published and have now been PROVEN to use FALSIFIED Data makes the whole concept of the IPCC being a regarded scientific body ludicrous. Guess you are a prize NEA Educated MORON.
The ONLY Governments that actively support the IPCC ‘s Conclusions are those that are RABIDLY ANTI-AMERICAN! Which unfortunately, includes Obama’s vision of America.
Um, Earth to Earth-centric greenies. Water viper is the number one greenhouse gas, so why don’t you environmentalists try to reduce water vapor in the atmosphere? That’s simple. We need water vapor to form clouds so we can have rain. It would be extremely stupid to reduce this “necessary” greenhouse gas just like it would be extremely stupid to reduce a necessary gas like CO2.
Sadly, too many people are willing to follow “consensus” but are not willing to look at real scientific facts. In real science you start with a theory, do lots of experiments, then come to a conclusion based on the results of the results of the experiments. “Manmade” global warming pseudo-science tends to be you come up with a conclusion, than you do some experiments, find the few facts that tend to support your conclusion, and ignore all the other data that tells you that you’re wrong.
Yes, we have to take care of our environment, but taxing more and more hard working people into the poorhouse isn’t the way. Besides, why would we want the U.N. dictating how we live our lives when they can’t keep their “peace keepers” from abusing the people they’re supposed to protect? I, personally, wouldn’t trust them any farther than I can comfortably spit a live rat.
I had to make sure my stomach was in good shape, not to rolff, before responding. They say all weather is local, but you guys take it to an extreme! Just because you look out the window and see snow does absolutely nothing to disprove millions of pages of data showing evidence of climate change (and yes, there was a bit of a PR move to change the moniker….as it will overall get warmer on Planet Earth, but not everywhere all the time).
I wonder how hard it was for Wiley to hold his tongue as he heard those who would do nothing to stop the madness. I thought this group was more progressive…I guess not, enjoy Fox News!
WoodEye almost 15 years ago
Global warming! For most of the Midwest LOOK OUTSIDE!
Of course here in SoCal its 60F and it’s 10:30PM. Ha Ha!
LordDogmore almost 15 years ago
In OKC for Christmas we got around 14 inches of snow. Take THAT Algore.
ben_david almost 15 years ago
I don’t deny global warming, but …. Well, maybe I do. … or do I? But how’s it happening - man-made or solar? Yeah, it must be the sun that’s warming us up so that Dallas, TX, had its first white Christmas in 81 years. Go figger.
parethed almost 15 years ago
Yeah, Fort Worth is colder than a well-digger’s you-know-what…global warming my you-know-what…
ronaldmundy almost 15 years ago
yeah, if there was global warming, my beach bar would be under water by now. gore may have scared alot of people, but not us. we’re all still high and……..well you know what i mean. florida is florida. hey, ben, thought you were a tejas guy. Austin myself. more nog with that ‘q or maybe a shiner?
fredbuhl almost 15 years ago
Did the past ice ages melt? I think Santa had a submarine then.
mjmsprt40 almost 15 years ago
18 degrees F and snowing in Chicago. Typical winter, and AGW is pretty easy to deny.
GROG Premium Member almost 15 years ago
More like dept of global colding.
lewisbower almost 15 years ago
Maybe global warming will create a world flood and the only people on the ark will be Glenn and Sarah and two elephants
Flintstoned almost 15 years ago
Global warming,and freezing have been going on as long as the earth is old.It’s cyclicle,and will happen again. Imagine how bad Global freezing would be to us in South Fla.
wndrwrthg almost 15 years ago
Man influences his environment, of that there can be no doubt. Global Climate Change is real and is being influenced by our actions. It would be sound policy to change our ways, whether you are in denial or not. A cleaner environment is better for all and the elimination of the use of fossil fuels leaves us free from the manipulations of other countries.
dinosaur123 almost 15 years ago
wndrwrthg, I agree with all you said. Seems to me that all the alternatives being suggested are being turned down by the “Green Earthers” too.
gbrucewilson almost 15 years ago
wndrwrthg, Stop breathing. That will help “clean the environment” of the CO2 you breath out. Calling CO2 dangerous is crazy. Notice that the Global Warming nuts are now calling it “Global Climate Change”. That way when it turns out we are cooling, they can say they were right. Algore is making a fortune from this hoax.
wicky almost 15 years ago
We are experiencing global colding, tis true.
pbarnrob almost 15 years ago
Whatever you want to call it, here’s the kicker. We are pumping more energy into the heat engine we call climate, and it’s not (to paraphrase Gibson) evenly distributed. In short, that means our weather gets weirder. Have you noticed that? Thought so.
Humans breathe in oxygen, out CO2. Trees on the other hand, breathe in CO2, out oxygen. A nice symmetry there.
So let’s get busy planting (and taking care of) more trees, Mother Nature’s air conditioners. LA had a program to plant a bunch of trees, and gave away shoots to anybody who would sign up; most of them died in the car before they got home and planted, or were stuck in the ground and ignored.
gjsjr41 almost 15 years ago
It’s a cartoon, it’s funny, laugh a little
donhar almost 15 years ago
The sad thing is all the people who won’t understand this cartoon because the fraud that was exposed in the scientific community was not covered in the mainstream press. At least Wiley is willing to mention it, even though it looks like he is still on the global warming bandwagon.
Justice22 almost 15 years ago
Global change is happening. It is all according to where it is warming and where it is cooling as to what a person believes. In my science classes as a young man, the idea was that air pollution would block the rays of the Sun and we would enter a new ice age. I argued that it would raise the temperature and we would enter a new greenhouse era because the Sun would strike the carbon molecules and warm our atmosphere. What I didn’t see was that the biggest changes would be in our oceans. (that was 60 years ago)
ChazNCenTex almost 15 years ago
It’s funny! You can take it as it is and laugh - you don’t have to feel threatened by an idea that you don’t support - you can just laugh at the thought. Or, maybe you can’t.
I skipped commenting yesterday so today it’s my turn to say … THANKS Wiley! You do great art and humor, I like humor that makes me pause and think too.
Hope Santa brought you a mouth guard for Christmas - cause I can’t imagine reading all the comments that get posted without gritting my teeth so hard I’d be cracking my own teeth!
vexatron1984 almost 15 years ago
Didn’t Wiley explain this before? That the joke is visual, not political? Either way it is funny!
But since it was brought up I am going to be a little hypocritical and post a comment on global warming (sorry Wiley), because I do have to say I agree with pbarnrob. Whether or not you believe in global warming, pollution is just bad and the destruction of our forests isn’t great either. Lets take better care of the earth.
SmokeySays almost 15 years ago
Well, there is no proof that intelligence is a survival trait - and as long as humanity is only located on this planet, I can promise you that even if we don’t foul our own nest badly enough to wipe us out, there is a asteroid with our name on it headed this way.
Whether is shows up tomorrow or 10,000 years from now - it’ll be a game changer - for sure.
EarlWash almost 15 years ago
Global warming, global cooling…. it’s all conjured up to make it look like the whole thing is our fault, by those who are willing to get government funds for their false blab because the’yre too stinking lazy to put forth effort to work.
Sucker’s pimps, they.
GJ_Jehosaphat almost 15 years ago
Wow - the audience sure can turn nasty when Global Warming becomes the topic. I also agree about the “Pollution Problem” as being more Tangible - U Can See It, Smell It, Touch It & U Know IT’s ManMade.
As for the cartoon - I appreciate the “Seasonal Humor” of Santa Claus’ Global Warming of the North Pole. Unfortunately there are Glaciers Melting & Other documentable signs of seasonal pattern changes.
Perhaps what we have is better technology to document changes - ie computers, satellites, etc… So what if the Earth’s going through “The Change” like Menopause (hot flashes, cold sweats). It’s the extremes that I’m concerned about - Tornados in December?
billdi Premium Member almost 15 years ago
the polar ice caps are melting – that is a fact, and sure the earth warms and cools over the course of millenia, but the burning of fossil fuels has accelerated that process dramatically. just because it gets cold in winter does not disprove what is happening – it is right in front of our eyes, it’s not a hoax, it’s not some conspiracy. those who believe it is a hoax, who deny it, who don’t think anything needs to be done are damning all our children and their children to misery – you are fiddling while Rome burns.
benbrilling almost 15 years ago
Haven’t we been over this all before? Santa’s in shorts, he traded his reindeer for kangaroos. The glaciers are melting, the oceans are rising. The right wings’ minds are vaporizing.
jonsteele almost 15 years ago
Actually, he best minds have achieved a consensus on global warming (that it is happening and that we helped), but they are opposed by some of the best-paid minds, those scientists who work for the oil companies (despite the fact that the petroleum scientists finnaly joined the consensus) and the prattling plethora of political pontificators Murdoch hires to spread his poisonous untruths.
In their world, the difference between climate (which is getting warmer) and weather (which is, because of the added energy in the system, becoming more volatile) is a hyping point. Fact is, for much of the country, the climate has to be warmer for the weather to include snow (a true alberta clipper arrives in dixie as a dry wind; a blizzard occurs when that cold air meets warmer, moister air from the gulf ).
pswhitlark almost 15 years ago
Well, let’s see… The guys that do real science say that they can’t find anything that proves “manmade” global warming, and they find that the SUN has the most influence on our climate. (After all, all the other planets in our solar system are warming at the same rate as the Earth. So tell me again how my driving an SUV is warming Mars.) The guys who believe in “manmade” global warming say “Trust us. We’re scientists. Ignore the fact that we lied through our teeth for the last ten years. This is too important for facts to get in the way.” So, how many people want to give up their twenty-first century lifestyle for “Trust us”? Can I see a show of hands? My guess is Santa is visiting the Florida office.
ben_david almost 15 years ago
Trees are good – for producing O2 from CO2 and for otherwise filtering the air, for burning for warmth in the cold weather, for building houses (which, if built well, will last longer than the age of the trees used for them), for producing paper (which is recyclable).
Check out the stats. There are more acres of forest land in the US now than 100 years ago because of proper management. When loggers clear an area, they REPLANT. You can’t say that with petroleum.
But, speaking of petroleum, there are untapped resources in this country (US - Alaska, North & South Dakota, offshore, California) that would free us from OPEC for a century if the tree-huggers had a lick of common sense and cared more about PEOPLE than about owls and fish.
We may affect the earth’s weather, but it will continue to change up and down long after we are gone (and not gone because we burned a little carbon or oil).
GrinfilledCelt almost 15 years ago
I never bought the AGW claptrap. It doesn’t take an environmental scientist to see that the “science” behind it is very flimsy. Since when did “Sit down and shut up. The debate is over” replace the scientific method? Climategate is just the final stake in it’s heart.
“But Grin, that doesn’t invalidate the science behind it!”
No, that is the science behind it. Pull your head out of the sand (or wherever you’ve stuck it) and learn just what Climategate found. Otherwise just admit that AGW is a religion and the facts don’t matter. Who are the deniers now?
cfimeiatpap almost 15 years ago
Thank you Mr. Miller….. Whether you folks believe or not; a little information for your consideration: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/global-dimming/ http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/deforestation.htm http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ http://www.who.int/uv/health/en/ http://poisoned.homestead.com/ http://scorecard.org/ http://www.springerlink.com/content/m1154683h792253v/ Peace……..
drmose almost 15 years ago
All the ignorant nonsense of global warming denial above shows that most people are sadly ignorant and disbelievers in science. The global community of many thousands of climate scientists has been studying this for decades. They have reached a very strong consensus based on massive amounts of evidence that human caused global warming is occurring. The consensus conclusions are presented annually by the IPCC (see below).
Note that all the governments involved endorse IPCC reports, and tone down the scientific reports for political reasons, so in fact the reports are more conservative that the scientific reports they are based on.
Essentially all the governments of the world endorse these reports on global warming. But of course the birthers, the teapartiers, the creationists, and all the other arrogant reality deniers in our society know better.
From www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.htm
The Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change is the leading body for the assessment of climate change, established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide the world with a clear scientific view on the current state of climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic consequences. The IPCC is a scientific body. It reviews and assesses the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change. It does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. Differing viewpoints existing within the scientific community are reflected in the IPCC reports. The IPCC is an intergovernmental body, and it is open to all member countries of UN and WMO. Governments are involved in the IPCC work as they can participate in the review process and in the IPCC plenary sessions, where main decisions about the IPCC workprogramme are taken and reports are accepted, adopted and approved. The IPCC Bureau and Chairperson are also elected in the plenary sessions. Because of its scientific and intergovernmental nature, the IPCC embodies a unique opportunity to provide rigorous and balanced scientific information to decision makers. By endorsing the IPCC reports, governments acknowledge the authority of their scientific content. The work of the organization is therefore policy-relevant and yet policy-neutral, never policy-prescriptive.
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
Environmental changes, in plant and animal species and habitat are well document. These changes are the result of climate change. Adaptation is slower than the change elements- species are disappearing.
Now if one of Wiley’s bears loses it’s food supply, and starts chewing on some of the denier propagandists, they may see the light?
WyattMute almost 15 years ago
Lordy, why do people use the comment section as a forum? There are better places…anyway, don’t want to be a hypocrite so….
Love the bottle behind the desk. Now THAT’S comedy. Haha, alcoholism…
ronaldmundy almost 15 years ago
the bears or the denier propagandists? what light? the light from the fuel we burn? the light of understanding (which by the way dosen’t exist)? settle back, calm down, feel the warmth of the nog and the nice yule log on the hearth, tree huggers. let it go folks. now lets have a totty and talk about religon. if you notice the bottles around the room, our fear monger is already there.
Varnes almost 15 years ago
benbrilling, great line about the kangaroos…..look they are talking about 2 degrees warmer by the turn of the century. Yeah, I know. It doesn’t sound like that much. But we, now, are only six degrees from when there was a two mile high pile of ice on top of Michigan, 12,000 years ago. Unfortunately, we’ve picked up 3 of those degrees only in the last couple hundred years, just about the start of the industrial age. The natural warming (we are still coming out of the last ice age) has been doubled in a fraction of the 12,000 years. Do the math. I know, I know, it’s hard to get some people to think about things that take longer than their lifetime. Makes you wonder how they have the stamina to believe in God. There is much more proof that global warming is happening than that theory…
madKanga almost 15 years ago
OK, pollution is bad, contributes to the problems of climate change, and makes Earth a worse place to live in. Greenies have been saying pretty much that since before the 60s. It has taken all this time for the pollies to catch up, but now they have decided they can tax it out of existence. What I find hard to see is that C02 (as ooposed to particulate emissions and other gases) is a major cause. Love Santa in Shorts.
HabaneroBuck almost 15 years ago
This comic sucks.
RonBerg13 Premium Member almost 15 years ago
The thing I find strange about today’s strip (and it is rather funny) is the 2 boxes on his desk that say ‘Fear’ and ‘Monger’.
The so called global warming ‘deniers’ (like you were denying the holocaust or something equally horrible) are not trying to scare anyone - they just don’t believe in it.
The global warming fanatics, however, are definitely trying to scare the pants off of folks. You would think that the ‘Fear’ and ‘Monger’ boxes would be on their desks.
lewisbower almost 15 years ago
A grad student asks his students for data for his thesis
Political activists ask scientists for data for their theory
I don’t think the first would get his PHD
Unfortunately, the latter may destroy the global economy.
Scientist—A person learned in science. Does that include children toy inventors and political scientists.?
Does scientific method rely on volunteered data? “Four out of five doctors agree—-”
Why is the inconvenient truth that there has been past warming periods ignored?
But I am not a scientist. My children, deprived of energy sources, shall know we saved the polar bear for their hunter/gatherer society to hunt.
eqo almost 15 years ago
WOW , great observation ron…i’m glad i got through the other comments to get to yours. i know i know…i coulda just scrolled down and skipped some but i felt compelled to read all of them.to properly form an opinion,you should get as much facts on both sides of the subject.( i use “facts” loosely ) if you are closed to the other sides views,you aren’t being fair to the other side,or to your self.
my opinion…not tellin ! hah ha
ronaldmundy almost 15 years ago
well, thank you. i open at 10(sunup for some of us),close at 2 or 3(dark). after that it’s just the bottles and me, and they ain’t talking……so set ‘em up joe……
puddleglum1066 almost 15 years ago
Michael McMillan: you have a short memory… it was 40 degrees and raining in Chicago all day yesterday! True, today I had to shovel a foot of snow out of the driveway (didn’t stop us from having a good Christmas get-together with the family, though)… but if you look at how it got here, it’s warm, moist air from the Gulf being sucked up by a powerful low pressure system. If, in fact, global warming exists, we in the midwest should see more extreme weather–hotter hot spells, colder cold snaps, and more violent storms–as the big mixing system called “midwestern weather” gets more energetic.
Notice I said “if”–I’m not sure what’s going on, and I’m trying to keep an open mind. It does look like much of the climate science (on both sides of the issue) has been compromised by corporate money. On the one side, you have the financial, nuclear and natural gas industries lining up to make money from “greener” technologies and “carbon cap and trade.” On the other side you have the coal and oil industries trying to preserve their status quo. The pursuit of truth doesn’t stand a chance against this kind of money…
zbeeblebrox almost 15 years ago
Sorry for being blunt: but I cannot believe how many complete idiots there are on this forum! Global warming and the role of human activity (specifically, generation of massive amounts of CO2 through combustion of fossil fuels) is a simple scientific hypothesis for which there is ample and persuasive evidence generated by many scientists and scientific research institutes in various countries. Particular incidents such as a cold snap or snow in the Dallas TX area (a state that seems to be home to more than its fair share of right-wing morons) is not at all inconsistent with the measurable overall increases in average air and water temperatures. The plain fact is that human activity (mine included) is exhausting natural resources and generating pollution at a scale and pace which threaten to destroy the environment that makes our lives possible. So-called “conservatives” (who seem to be against conserving other than their own ignorance): wake up and see what’s at the end of your plastic forks! (Sorry–I forgot that conservatives probably will miss that particular literary allusion…no matter…they’re hopeless anyhow).
tnazar almost 15 years ago
There is a difference between climate and the local weather forecast.
Sadly it’s lost on the flat Earth believers.
sziker almost 15 years ago
Its obvious from the Posts here that the NEA’s long range goal to dumb down Americans through third rate education is working. The same lunatics who claimed Freon was destroying the Ozone Layer (by the way, most developed nations are in the Northern Hemisphere and the Ozone Hole is over Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere), and 10 years ago claimed we were all going to FREEZE in a new Ice Age, are the same MORONs claiming Man-Made Global Warming. Short of an all-out Nuclear War, Mankind does not have the ability to change the Climate Globally. Yes, we can cause local changes by tearing out forests, etc. and we CAN pollute - But Climate Change? Ha-Ha-Ha. Dream On! I suppose the warmer Temperatures being measured on Mars is due to man-made global warming! Its the SUN STUPID!
A couple of Volcanoes put out more pollution and “Greenhouse” Gases (of which CO2 IS NOT ONE) in a week of eruption tha most developed nations produce in a year. By the Way, The reason the Ozone Hole is in the Southern Hemisphere is from the releases of Chlorine from Volcanoes (the Ring of Fire is mostly Southern Hemisphere) and from Lightning Strikes on Seawater (the Southern Hemisphere is mostly Ocean). Even the first manned orbital missions in the 60’s commented about all of the lightning over the southern oceans. Oh, for those too dumb to understand, LIghtning hitting Seawater generates Free Chlorine Gas, which can destroy Ozone if it gets into the high atmosphere.
sziker almost 15 years ago
Hey DRMOSE - The IPCC is a POLITICAL BODY of the UN with little, if ANY Scientific Credibility! The 6000 “Scientists” often quoted are mostly political appointees and not well regarded scientists. The so called Scientific Studies produced by the IPCC are nothing more than political propaganda against the West. They mostly parrot the fools in the UK that have been discredited many times now and the amount of BS they have published and have now been PROVEN to use FALSIFIED Data makes the whole concept of the IPCC being a regarded scientific body ludicrous. Guess you are a prize NEA Educated MORON.
The ONLY Governments that actively support the IPCC ‘s Conclusions are those that are RABIDLY ANTI-AMERICAN! Which unfortunately, includes Obama’s vision of America.
madKanga almost 15 years ago
Hey, guys (and gals) - Wiley’s cartoon has a poke at both sides and is FUNNY. Lighten up a little.
C and O 2666 almost 15 years ago
Guess what - it was 41 degrees F in Buffalo NY this morning! Remember Buffalo? The city that always gets razzed for all its snow?
Nebulous Premium Member almost 15 years ago
The dinosaurs did just fine for 160 million years without ice caps.
pswhitlark almost 15 years ago
Um, Earth to Earth-centric greenies. Water viper is the number one greenhouse gas, so why don’t you environmentalists try to reduce water vapor in the atmosphere? That’s simple. We need water vapor to form clouds so we can have rain. It would be extremely stupid to reduce this “necessary” greenhouse gas just like it would be extremely stupid to reduce a necessary gas like CO2. Sadly, too many people are willing to follow “consensus” but are not willing to look at real scientific facts. In real science you start with a theory, do lots of experiments, then come to a conclusion based on the results of the results of the experiments. “Manmade” global warming pseudo-science tends to be you come up with a conclusion, than you do some experiments, find the few facts that tend to support your conclusion, and ignore all the other data that tells you that you’re wrong. Yes, we have to take care of our environment, but taxing more and more hard working people into the poorhouse isn’t the way. Besides, why would we want the U.N. dictating how we live our lives when they can’t keep their “peace keepers” from abusing the people they’re supposed to protect? I, personally, wouldn’t trust them any farther than I can comfortably spit a live rat.
treered almost 15 years ago
maybe it was all the coal shrub got over the previous eight years…
MelChamp1 almost 15 years ago
Here in the UK we call it ‘Climate Change’.
Linus13 almost 15 years ago
I had to make sure my stomach was in good shape, not to rolff, before responding. They say all weather is local, but you guys take it to an extreme! Just because you look out the window and see snow does absolutely nothing to disprove millions of pages of data showing evidence of climate change (and yes, there was a bit of a PR move to change the moniker….as it will overall get warmer on Planet Earth, but not everywhere all the time).
I wonder how hard it was for Wiley to hold his tongue as he heard those who would do nothing to stop the madness. I thought this group was more progressive…I guess not, enjoy Fox News!