Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for November 21, 2012

Apparently, Chris Matthews falsely believes Bronco’s powerful victory means that most Americans who voted for him are convinced that global warming is real. I think it’s real. But I’m not so sure about most Americans, even most Democrats, let alone independents.

And Republicans? Ha! Why even go there?

YIKES!!! 75 MPH is Hurricane Sandy speeds! Not good, get to Alaska!

“It’s a long process.”

Too long apparently. I’ve been reading about climatologists who are now saying we’ve already passed the deadline, and it’s already too late. They went on to say the best climatology can do now is to help humans to just COPE with the coming disaster.

Or those denying creation.

My wife’s polar bear collection says it exists. Certainly looks like it from the last decade of evidence. And greenhouse gases can be reduced. lots of evidence of that. Even more important: it takes fifteen gallons of water to make one gallon of gas. We may well run out of the stuff to drink even as the brine floods our coasts.

Any time you can show me an experiment that proved organic matter comes spontaneously from inorganic matter, let me know. Only one of many ever made the claim and it was contaminated, so…

Re 4th panel: ANOTHER hurricane? FEMA hasn’t had time to stop dragging its feet in response to the last one.

Chris Matthews (panel 3): “Next up, the 99% of climatologists who agree that global-warming is man-made.”

Chris has it wrong. I’ve never ever heard even one climatologist say global warming is man-made. All of them I’ve ever heard or read say it is only PARTIALLY caused by human activity. Or it is being ACCELERATED by human activity. Never that it is 100% caused by human activity. It is a combination of mother nature’s activity and human activity that is causing it.

I’m not sure where Trudeau’s going with this story line.

climate change is real. katrina, irene, sandy, droughts, etc…

“Shame on Mike for referring to Kim as a “nerd”!!!”No, nowadays nerd is a term of high approbation. I have a Venn Diagram somewhere that proves it…

There is NO Global warming!

DT…

Did you say it wasn.t man made. Just human activity?

The only science sector person to deny global warming was Bill Nye the science guy on a panal discussion.

Ken Burns illustrated this mon.and tues.night.

End of flurry. Safe travels to all.

It’s more than ok. Nerds rule.

GT has this balled up, 99% of climatologist may agree global warming exists but do not agree it is caused by human activity.

I think most Democrats go along with the idea of climate change and it being man made, though maybe not 100% man made. Al Gore warned us big time, back in 2006, in his book and movie, An Inconvenient Truth. Yes, and Ken Burns warned us this week with his dust bowl documentary, and Mother Nature warned us on Halloween this year on the east coast during Hurricane Sandy.

And there were many, many other examples which could be cited as well…

What is your home state? I suspect it is not a blue state…

Just 1 good sized volcanic eruption(Mount Pinitubo comes to mind), puts more product into the air that mankind has in the last 100 years. Last time I checked, volcanos are natural.We may have helped in a small way, but we also stop forest fires and the like, so we do help what nature does. When European man came to the Americas, the rivers were more acidic than now. Our slash and burn procedures caused the land and water to be more basic. Acid rain is putting it back where it was. The reason everybody is complaining, is that as nature changes, people don’t want to roll with the flow.

People. Please. The ‘debate’ about “are we causing global warming” and the ‘debate’ about “what can we do to stop it” . . . . are over.From now on, the debate is: “What must human civilization do, to adapt and survive, in this new, more hostile climate?”

“So nice to see the 1% moocher class about to get a well deserved tax hike.”

That’s not at all certain. Grover Norquist’s Taxpayer Protection Pledge could prevail during bronco’s second term.

“Those who still insist that there is no global warming”The ‘deniers’ will be shouting into the wind. They can continue their “debate” with the droughts, the record heat waves, the extreme floods, the crop failures and the super-storms that are the new normal.Meanwhile, even the CEO of ExxonMobil is saying, “Yes, it’s real. We have to adapt.”

These mega-wealthy, tax-subsidized, $100-million-income CEOs don’t want GOVERNMENT to do anything about global warming. They don’t want bigger government to attack it, not even scientifically. They want private enterprise to deal with ALL of it, while Exxon Mobile continues to produce, and EXPAND, the injection of more and more and more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Is this not the case?

It seems to me that a very large minority, those who voted for Rmoney, want to see smaller government and no new taxes. This would include any taxes going to governmental “big science” programs designed to deal with droughts, record heat waves, extreme floods, crop failures and super-storms.

Perhaps 47% of the American electorate want SMALLER GOVERNMENT and NO NEW TAXES — thus no governmental “interference” with global warming in the form of, for instance, federal laws requiring

• sequestration of CO2 under impermeable rock cover deep underground, or

• “clean coal”-fired power plants.

Here’s what they say: If private enterprise driven by unrestrained free market capitalism wants to do these things free from all governmental regulation, then let them do so.

Just keep government out of it.

Don’t get me wrong. This is NOT my opinion. I disagree. I just want to point out what seems to me to be what’s really going on.

Once mankind retreats underground and into domed cities, the nerds will be killed off in purges. A few generations down the road the idiots will have to kill off everyone over 35 to be able to sustain the cities. The nerds and geeks will have the last laugh.

Try a Japanese car company. Or one of their suppliers like Musashi. they value all those. I don’t know enough about the Australian jobs to be mush help on that.I can empathize since one of our banks sold bad stiocks to a conglomerate of Australian banks and literally helped crash your economy WITH ours. I can only wish you the best.

Which still begs the question as to where THAT life originated. Like i said PROOF it. you claim this as scientific fact when there simply is no proof. So please don’t attack creation beliefs who are based on faith since that is all yours are based on.

Stipple: those die offs have long been blamed on meteor strikes causing a cooling. where did you get the “warming idea”

fbjsr: or an update of then Bush anti-liberal no fly “terrorist” policies?

Nightgaunt: What is more bothersome is the shifting of the gulf stream which could thaw the North Pole AND freeze most of North America.

“Après nous, le déluge.”-Madame de Pompadour

Unfortunately, this comment section is a microcosm of the larger debate that rages in the larger world;“Global warming is man-made, and we’re accelerating it.Global warming is natural, and we’re accelerating it. Global warming is cyclical and we’re too puny to affect it.”.“See, scientists can’t agree on it, so let’s study it for a few more years before we do anything.”Actually, James Hansen, formerly of NASA, determined that we need to have 350ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere to have a sustainable climate. We’re currently at 392.As ice melts, darker sea and land will absorb more solar energy.As permafrost melts, it will release more methane.But because some people seem to think that climate scientists are getting rich off of frightening people, nothing will be done, probably until it’s too late.

I believe that it is true that many, if not most Democrats, believe in the concept of climate change. And yes, I guess that means that I should contribute to the Democratic Party since that is part of their platform. However, we welcome any GOP members to get on board with this issue. We don’t think of this as a partisan issue. We will all perish together if we don’t change our ways. I hope that more GOP folks will come around, as I would like to see a more viable Republican Party, as in the Republican Party of old. If not, like Mother Earth, they will go the way of the dodo bird. Of course, if that is what they choose, so be it. In his film, An Incovenient Truth, Al Gore refers to a graphic that was put out by the GOP at one point. It showed a balance scale, with several gold bars on one side, and the ENTIRE PLANET EARTH on the other. Hmmm, which one should I choose? At some point, it isn’t really a choice. Choice will be long gone.

Reading the comments on this strip always remind me of a scripture, “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” – Romans 1:22

I just want everyone to know that I have a B.S. degree in physics

Mark Twain: What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know. It’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so.

Anyone see the recent photo of Mitt at the gas station? He looks like he just came off a coke bender at the Bunny Ranch…

“BENGHAZI-GATE!!!!!”

Republican Sen. John McCain, one of the Senate’s most vocal critics of how President Barack Obama’s administration handled the Benghazi terror attacks in Libya, appeared to have backed away from his cover-up accusations on Tuesday when he learned that the White House had no involvement in the deletion of Al Qaeda references from the CIA’s talking points.

http://www.ibtimes.com/not-conspiracy-after-all-mccain-backs-benghazi-cover-claims-895120

Can you imagine Democrat Barack Hussein Obama looking like that?

BENGHAZI-GATE!!!!!

“Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) today issued a statement essentially conceding that he was wrong in accusing the White House of changing U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s talking points on Benghazi for political purposes.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/11/20/1225461/mccain-rice-benghazi-talking-points/?mobile=nc

Obama still has 4 more years to issue pardons. I believe the pardons you are referring to are traditionally done when the prez is almost literally completely out of the WH. They are a very last minute type of thing.

No global warming. No evolution. Maybe even no heliocentricity. No science at all. Jus a dream of the gods.

The GOP believes in welfare for the rich. It is communism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. This is a tired argument. We need to somehow get beyond it. Hunger and poverty are very real problems in our country as well as the world. Children who are hungry and homeless and need medical care can not function as well as they should at school or elsewhere in life. If we really want a future for our country and the world we need to work on these problems rather than call people who are trying to solve these issues communists, etc. People who continue with that line are not helping anyone, including themselves.

Well Obama pardoned the turkey, but when it comes to humans it’s more like Tough Turkey. G H W Bush pardoned 1 out of 19 petitions rejected, Clinton 1 out of 16 (including Mark Rich), Reagan 1 out of 8, W 1 out of 55, but with Obama it’s been an eye popping 1 out of 290. Since he has been president Obama has pardoned 22 people and commuted 1 sentence. No other president has been more miserly about pardons since John Adams. Historically most pardons are granted in Dec, does anyone think Bwraaack will pick up his game or is he still afraid what the “Law and Order, Throw away the Key” types will say? Gobble, gobble

Maybe Bronco IS HIMSELF a “‘Law and Order, Throw away the Key’ type”.

Even though Clinton didn’t pardon any more folks than some other presidents, he caught a lot of grief over it at the time (2001 January, strike of midnight or whatever). A federal prosecutor was called upon to investigate the pardons, then another one, who decided that he had committed no wrongdoing, several $ later… In February 2001, Clinton wrote an article in the NYT defending the pardons.

Bronco = child pronunciation of Barack Obama’s name

There was a child internet sensation who was crying over the election a few weeks ago, who complained about Bronco Bama and Mitt Romney.

Thinking about the prez pardons, I started to remember “The West Wing,” which had prez pardons as a story line for one of the episodes for that show. I miss that show.

“Where are Adolf and Josef when you need careful management skills?”

You admire the way Adolf Hitler managed WWII?

“Where are Adolf and Josef when you need careful management skills?”

You admire the way Josef Goebbels managed the Nazi attacks on German Jews?

“Where are Adolf and Josef when you need careful management skills?”

You admire the way “Angel of Death” Josef Mingele managed the Nazi “experiments” on innocent human children?

I see the original comment about Josef and Adolf came from Eric Sanders, just wondered what he was referring to. Josef and Adolf are not popular names in the US today so it make you wonder.

Yes, there probably aren’t 99% of climatologists who believe in global warming. It is probably more like 99.99% of them. Much in the same way that the vast majority of medical doctors believed a few decades ago that smoking is bad for your health. Oh, there were a few who were hired by the tobacco industry to lie for them and lobby for them, but there were very few of those MD tobacco lobbyists as compared to all the other medical doctors practicing in the US.

Science is science, math is math.

That’s clever, “warmist”. Is there such a thing as “stupidist”?

I see the “we only believe the science when it supports our political ideologies” nut jobs are out in force.Fortunately, the National Academies Press just published a nice, modest-sized short book, “Climate Change: Evidence, Impacts & Choices.” It’s available as a free .pdf download at their site: http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=14673As Strode & Young wrote at the end of their book, “Why Evolution Works (and Why Creationism Fails)”: “We heartily recommend that anyone who criticizes evolutionary biology first learn about it.” The same applies to climate change.

All I am saying is that we are an external parasite on this rock called earth. When we claim that we have caused a great change, we give ourselves too much credit. I agree that the world is getting warmer, I just do not believe that it is mostly man’s fault. We need to get down and figure out how to adapt to the coming changes. I am sure that different strains of plants and other foods will be developed or occur naturally, so that we can exploit them. Mankind has way to many people on this planet and maybe many will die. I have faith that we will survive for many centuries and that science will play a huge part in it.

Why sure, you can find all sorts of delusion and paranoid conspiracy theories on the internet.