Don’t let yourself get dragged into commenting on this issue. The Republicans and the Far Right don’t care about the facts, they just want to attack.
So why don’t we talk about all of the attacks and comments the Far Right have made about Obama over the last year, such as that he “hates white people”, he is a Muslin, and the number of times you heard him referred to as “BlackObama” on Fox?
Ken, once again, the only people who ever quote Fox are democrats. Republicans work for a living, and don’t have time for television. I have never heard “BlackObama,” and I have never heard that he hates white people. I have heard that he is Muslim, but that is probably based on his childhood education in Muslim schools, and his father being a Muslim. I also know of people who went to Catholic Schools, and had Catholic fathers, but are certainly NOT Catholic. Some of them still proclaim to be Catholic, however, and I do not want to be present for their final judgement.
LOCO – If you haven’t watched Fox News you haven’t missed much, and you sure haven’t missed any real news.
You say that you never heard someone at Fox say “Obama hates white people” or heard him referred to as “BlackObama” (which is a play on his real name Barack) so now that you have heard about it – any comment? Is it racist?
Loco: that is probably based on his childhood education in Muslim schools
what?? from wiki: ”From ages six to ten, Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, including Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi School.”
Obama’s father may have been Muslim, but his father abandoned his family when Obama was two years old so he didn’t grow up with Muslim teachings!
trust me… the words “obama hates white people” have been stated on Fox news way too many times to even count. Sometimes directly, sometimes with the typical Fox lead in of “some say”
The problem isn’t that our country has a lot of idiots. We’ve always had a lot of idiots. The problem is that the Republicans are working to turn idiots into a voting bloc.
Eagles it is stupid to assume that all degenerates are democrats. It is stupid to assume that democrats are3 not & cannot be Christians. It is stupid to assume that a democrat doesn’t work or take care of his family. Pretty much all of your assumptions are stupid
As a Christian, democrat & a veteran I find your rants to be extremely offensive.
I hate to be called a racist, but believing in a more right of center politic, puts me in my left leaning friends gunsights.
Have any of you read Obama’s book, ‘Dreams From My Father’?
I find passages somewhat troubling, if not puzzling. Would I or should I consider him a racist? I think a fair answer is what exactly is a racist. Is it someone who vehemently espouses the superiority of their own ethnicity, or someone who is nuanced by his perception of the world. The perception that his country is very unfavorably regarded in the world; that by logical progression by HIS very own unfavorable impression.
eagles, you sound very familiar…like someone who disappeared from this list…
Your stereotyping, besides being wrong wrong wrong (just to make that clear), is also not supported by the evidence. The Republicans in Congress average much higher in divorces – Newt Gingrich is a deadbeat dad, John McCain dumped his old wife after she had a car accident and quit looking like a blonde Barbie doll, etc., etc., etc.
And – gotta love this – the divorce rate is higher in states that forbid gay marriage. http://tinyurl.com/ycczly5
petergrt: not so. I would argue that any religion that specifies its own structure and the supremacy of its word over anyone else’s (and thus the collective judgment of nonbelievers) is incompatible (I assume that’s what you meant instead of incongruous. Or perhaps incongruent?) with democracy. To take a specific example: The Catholic Church (which I know well!) was and is suspicious of “modernism,” which includes many things but democratic secularism is clearly implied, as the will of the people would overrides that of the Church. As late as the 1930s there was open skepticism regarding democracies and republics.
Uh, do the words “Thou shalt have no other…” start a flood of pro-“democracy” hormones flowing?? Right, the same words apply to Judaism, Christianity, AND Islam.
hmmm, the post by eaglesofwar that was between my posts disappeared. (eagles added that obama’s stepfather was a Muslim) What the heck? 2nd or 3rd post I’ve noted today that disappeared overnight.
Senior, BCR, Ken, etc…. As I’ve said before, I voted for a black candidate for president in the Republican primaries in 2000 and 2004. He lost both elections to George W Bush. Apparently the consensus THEN was that America was NOT ready for a black president with no Negro dialect. I was.
Senor, no I did not see Eddie’s post. However your first post did make me wonder what century you were speaking of. As for 98% of blacks voting democrat, that was exclusively for Mr Obama, and demonstrates a most extreme example of racism in America. I couldn’t tell you how many of my African-American clients (I am a welfare caseworker) said yes when asked if they wanted to register to vote, a question we are required to ask at every interview. They said they were going to vote for “the black guy.” Many didn’t even know his name. They didn’t know his party. They just knew “it wasn’t a regular name” and that he was black. When I asked why they had not registered before, they said that if they did, they might be called for jury duty, and they would not do that.
BCR - thank you, I did mean you. I was sure that I heard that when Mr Obama lived in Asia that he attended a muslim gradeschool. Was I misinformed?
As far as seeing skin color , (or gender for that matter) when you vote, that should not have an impact on your vote. The brain and the heart count. The genetalia and pigmentation do not.
I think Alan Keyes was alright in 2000 and 2004, but I agree that he has gone off the deep end since. Very bitter.
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
Don’t let yourself get dragged into commenting on this issue. The Republicans and the Far Right don’t care about the facts, they just want to attack.
So why don’t we talk about all of the attacks and comments the Far Right have made about Obama over the last year, such as that he “hates white people”, he is a Muslin, and the number of times you heard him referred to as “BlackObama” on Fox?
comYics over 14 years ago
Illustration of donkey’s.
Loco80 over 14 years ago
Ken, once again, the only people who ever quote Fox are democrats. Republicans work for a living, and don’t have time for television. I have never heard “BlackObama,” and I have never heard that he hates white people. I have heard that he is Muslim, but that is probably based on his childhood education in Muslim schools, and his father being a Muslim. I also know of people who went to Catholic Schools, and had Catholic fathers, but are certainly NOT Catholic. Some of them still proclaim to be Catholic, however, and I do not want to be present for their final judgement.
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
LOCO – If you haven’t watched Fox News you haven’t missed much, and you sure haven’t missed any real news.
You say that you never heard someone at Fox say “Obama hates white people” or heard him referred to as “BlackObama” (which is a play on his real name Barack) so now that you have heard about it – any comment? Is it racist?
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
Loco: that is probably based on his childhood education in Muslim schools
what?? from wiki: ”From ages six to ten, Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, including Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi School.”
Obama’s father may have been Muslim, but his father abandoned his family when Obama was two years old so he didn’t grow up with Muslim teachings!
trust me… the words “obama hates white people” have been stated on Fox news way too many times to even count. Sometimes directly, sometimes with the typical Fox lead in of “some say”
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
perhaps there’s a Rx that could help you with your illness, eagles.
Michael Peterson Premium Member over 14 years ago
The problem isn’t that our country has a lot of idiots. We’ve always had a lot of idiots. The problem is that the Republicans are working to turn idiots into a voting bloc.
PaddyJaye over 14 years ago
Eagles: you are stupid!
PaddyJaye over 14 years ago
Eagles it is stupid to assume that all degenerates are democrats. It is stupid to assume that democrats are3 not & cannot be Christians. It is stupid to assume that a democrat doesn’t work or take care of his family. Pretty much all of your assumptions are stupid
As a Christian, democrat & a veteran I find your rants to be extremely offensive.
johndh123 over 14 years ago
I hate to be called a racist, but believing in a more right of center politic, puts me in my left leaning friends gunsights. Have any of you read Obama’s book, ‘Dreams From My Father’? I find passages somewhat troubling, if not puzzling. Would I or should I consider him a racist? I think a fair answer is what exactly is a racist. Is it someone who vehemently espouses the superiority of their own ethnicity, or someone who is nuanced by his perception of the world. The perception that his country is very unfavorably regarded in the world; that by logical progression by HIS very own unfavorable impression.
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
eagles, you sound very familiar…like someone who disappeared from this list… Your stereotyping, besides being wrong wrong wrong (just to make that clear), is also not supported by the evidence. The Republicans in Congress average much higher in divorces – Newt Gingrich is a deadbeat dad, John McCain dumped his old wife after she had a car accident and quit looking like a blonde Barbie doll, etc., etc., etc. And – gotta love this – the divorce rate is higher in states that forbid gay marriage. http://tinyurl.com/ycczly5
petergrt over 14 years ago
Islam is the only ‘major religion’ that is fundamentally incongruous with democracy.
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
petergrt: not so. I would argue that any religion that specifies its own structure and the supremacy of its word over anyone else’s (and thus the collective judgment of nonbelievers) is incompatible (I assume that’s what you meant instead of incongruous. Or perhaps incongruent?) with democracy. To take a specific example: The Catholic Church (which I know well!) was and is suspicious of “modernism,” which includes many things but democratic secularism is clearly implied, as the will of the people would overrides that of the Church. As late as the 1930s there was open skepticism regarding democracies and republics.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Uh, do the words “Thou shalt have no other…” start a flood of pro-“democracy” hormones flowing?? Right, the same words apply to Judaism, Christianity, AND Islam.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
^ In Catholicism, secular democracy is considered a “lesser evil”. It has only been so since Vatican 2, in 1964.
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
hmmm, the post by eaglesofwar that was between my posts disappeared. (eagles added that obama’s stepfather was a Muslim) What the heck? 2nd or 3rd post I’ve noted today that disappeared overnight.
d_legendary1 over 14 years ago
Tom Coburn :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7On14l6wgc
Jeff Sessions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16WHlUgFrgw
Why don’t you call for their resignations?
“They’re republicans. Its natural for them to act like that.”
Just what I thought…
Loco80 over 14 years ago
Senior, BCR, Ken, etc…. As I’ve said before, I voted for a black candidate for president in the Republican primaries in 2000 and 2004. He lost both elections to George W Bush. Apparently the consensus THEN was that America was NOT ready for a black president with no Negro dialect. I was.
comYics over 14 years ago
Strange. If church and state arent supposed to mix, then catholics can’t be either democrat or republican.
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
Loco, you wrote “BCR” I think you meant me, BCS. B ut in any case, Obama did not attend a Muslim school.
And if you don’t see skin color when you vote, then good for you. Though I think Alan Keyes is mentally unstable. Good thing he hasn’t won any office.
Loco80 over 14 years ago
Senor, no I did not see Eddie’s post. However your first post did make me wonder what century you were speaking of. As for 98% of blacks voting democrat, that was exclusively for Mr Obama, and demonstrates a most extreme example of racism in America. I couldn’t tell you how many of my African-American clients (I am a welfare caseworker) said yes when asked if they wanted to register to vote, a question we are required to ask at every interview. They said they were going to vote for “the black guy.” Many didn’t even know his name. They didn’t know his party. They just knew “it wasn’t a regular name” and that he was black. When I asked why they had not registered before, they said that if they did, they might be called for jury duty, and they would not do that.
BCR - thank you, I did mean you. I was sure that I heard that when Mr Obama lived in Asia that he attended a muslim gradeschool. Was I misinformed?
As far as seeing skin color , (or gender for that matter) when you vote, that should not have an impact on your vote. The brain and the heart count. The genetalia and pigmentation do not.
I think Alan Keyes was alright in 2000 and 2004, but I agree that he has gone off the deep end since. Very bitter.