Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for November 20, 2014

Wiley, if we want a lecture on nutrition, we’ll contact either PETA or the CSPI.

Diabetes and cardiac disease, sweet heart.

Don’t forget NightShade that “your output is derived from your input”. My take is that Wiley’s a vegan and wants us to be the same.

And 1 of my neighbors who lives a mile down the road has been a vegan for the last 35 years and takes more meds than I do. So what’s your point?

MEAT DOESN’T CAUSE DIABETES!

A truly balanced diet, proportion too, works. Even the Dalai Lama was told by his doctors to start eating some meat, as the vegan thing was killing him. Vegetarians who still get animal protein can get by. That includes “dairy”.

Wiley seems to know all our ‘buttons’, doesn’t he?

When they told me I was diabetic, I just figured “okay, so when I decide it’s time to check out, all I have to do is request a big bag of marshmallows.”

What’s a good diet for one person may be a bad diet for another. Our genes do play a role in this. Take me for example. I like beef, pork, chicken, seafood. I also like vegetables, fruit, nuts, grains and dairy (especially ice cream, my serving size is usually a pint). Some people would say that with my diet I’m heading for a coronary. The blood test from my physical this year show that everything is within normal ranges (cholesterol – 179). over the last 10 years my cholesterol has ranged between 171 and 186 without any changes to my diet. Go figure!

vegan my butt, my dinner crapped all over your dinner

That’s it! This strip is history for me until the aliens release the real Wiley. He wants to shinny up to Gwynith Paltrow that’s his business, but I don’t have to watch or read it.

Why do people assume they heve the right to tell others what to eat? I’ve never been told by a vegetarian / vegan to stop eating meat, but I know that omnivores are more likely to be judgemental..I do find vegetables tastier than meat, though.

I eat mostly protein, vegetables, and fruits with a minimum on carbs and work out at the gym 5 or 6 days a week. I’m also 60 yrs old and feel fine. No meds, no doctors. Really, being vegan isn’t the only way to go. Of course I also don’t eat fast food and hardly any junk food and absolutely no soft drinks. The missus makes most of what we eat by scratch and it’s all pretty yummy. No complaints.

You can’t cure diabetes. It can be controlled, but never cured.

Watch the documentary Forks Over Knives for an easy and entertaining look at how a whole foods plant-based diet can prevent and reverse the diseases of affluence. If you want to dig through the mounting science, check out the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. I’d love to see this series of strips as a poster that could be hung in waiting rooms and cafeterias.

Leftism = humorless.

“Vegetarian” is a Native American word that means “bad hunter”.

“Vegetarian” is a Native American word that means “bad hunter”.

OK, yeah, the American diet is nasty – but every vegan I’ve ever known has been sick ALL the time; why would you weant to live longer & never feel good?

KUDOS to Wiley Miller! People are dying needlessly due to heart disease, America’s #1 killer for men and women…which is totally preventable and reversible IF we eat plants. Sure, vegans can be unhealthy if they choose processed junk like vegan donuts & cookies but if you go PLANT-STRONG, you’re diseases will likely disappear, not overnight, but over the course of 4 to 10 weeks, you’ll LOOK better and feel better!

this strip sure does attract people who like to argue in the comments.

My friend is a life long vegan (he’s from India) He had a triple by-pass and has type 1 DIABETES. When I kidded him about that he said that its HOW a vegan cooks their food that leads to these problems. They use lots of rich sauces and fry in oils for flavor

Bunk. The British Medical journal lancet published back in the early 50s that a high carbohydrate low fat diet was what kills you. The official government diet has one advantage. It is both cheap and high profit. Hard to beat that from their view.

My only problem, is apparently moderation is a silly idea. It is either one extreme diet or the other.

Problem is that scientists are changing there tune and the consensus is no longer that meat and diary cause heart attacks.

Going Vegan is not a cure for diabetes, nor it is a replacement for bypass surgery. What utter idiocy. I have diabetes, none of the medical literature even suggests that.

Beans and greens…oh yummy…. :-(

Ah yes, one and one equals two, and so on.

I am, like all of us humans on this planet, an omnivore. I will not change that to suit someones whim. Though, for my own health’s sake.. I have cut my sugar and salt intake back, severely.

Next week- The wonders of Common Core!!

http://authoritynutrition.com/lean-vs-fatty-meat/

It all comes down to the age old saying, “Everything I like in life is either illegal, immoral or, fattening.”

I think this is awesome! Comic strips make social commentary all the time, what’s so bad about a little nod to health?

I am a meat eater, I hate most veggies, and I don’t do any measuring etc. BTW I am 80 years old, and going strong.

Night-Gaunt49 said, 40 minutes ago,

@jbmlaw

Leftism = humorless.-Rightism=cruel and humorless~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I’m with you, Bro.

Personally, I’m paleo. (Well, paleoish. I take their “all grains are bad” mantra and trade my breads for pastries. My “bad” might as well taste good.) But it says something that after so many years of dietary research that fad diets continue to spread. Makes one wonder about yesterday’s comic.

LOSING WEIGHT can help eliminate diabetes. Avoiding RED meat can help reduce arterial clogging. High protein diets can assist with losing weight. Avoiding high glycemic foods will avoid aggravating diabetes.

Being vegan will definitely make one lose weight!

BLEEEEAGH

As the mother of a diabetic who became diabetic at the age of twenty, I might have a bit more knowledge about the disease than most people. She has always been slim, and she has what is called Type1 Diabetes, which is incurable. Unfortunately, she is also what is called a ‘brittle diabetic,’ which means her blood sugar level is on a roller coaster. She tries to maintain a tight control, testing her blood sugar often and adjusting the amount of insulin she uses. She also is quite knowledgeable about diet and stays on a proper diet at all times. This disease has controlled her life. It is much more complicated than most people realize. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Folks who believe they are qualified to diagnose it and suggest remedies are living in a dream world.,

I was a total vegetarian, low fat, no sweets, walked every day…had my cholesterol checked, and it came in at over three hundred. I refined my diet a bit more, upped my excercise routine, and it got worse, the good cholesterol went down and the bad way up. The doctor said I was at even higher risk then! So statins it was. I still eat right and take care of myself, but the family history of nasty cholesterol is a bummer.

Again though, it seems that just about everyone has decided that moderation is a ludicrous idea. You must find the enemy and completely cut it from your diet!

http://authoritynutrition.com/top-11-biggest-lies-about-vegan-diets/

Thanks Wiley.

There is a reason dairy and meat is pushed so heavily ($$). It’s not because of how amazing it is for us. The government created an agenda to push specific foods in history and dairy and meat is it’s current subsidized food of choice. And allowing addictive ingredients into unhealthy food by food scientists. It’s interesting that we push milk drinking paste the age of being a toddler. And that every time an article or research is published on eggs or milk not being ‘the best’ for us, mroe research immediately comes out countering the claim.

On that note, China is seeing an increase in weight not just due to less exercise, but there’s been a strong push for increased milk and other dairy consumption. American’s do it, so surely it must be a well founded idea.

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Funny, I can say the same for my omnivorous eating habits. And I really enjoy beef, lamb, & pork.

I have been thinking. Don’t both the pharm and health food industry push pills to fix what is wrong with your diet?

The meat and dairy industry really has pulled Americans into Stupidville. Studies have repeatedly shown that the human body can get all the protein it needs through plant sources, and statistics clearly show that vegetarians and vegans are as a group healthier than those that eat meat, although calorie consumption and exercise are the biggest factors.

I don’t mind my doctor telling me what I should eat. That’s why I visit him once a year for a physical. I do mind politicians legislating what I am allowed to eat.

well we certainly stirred up a hornets nest here didn’t we. I dropped my cholesterol way down by going quasi vegan. That means some days I am vegan and some I am an omivor, eat anything in front of me.

sugar and some vegetable oils cause diabetes and hardening of the arteries. It is the processed foods we eat and the GMO plants that are fed to animals that are creating the health crisis. Since I went on a low carb, high fat diet, I have lost 20 lbs. It is sure difficult to get away from the sweets.

Meat, hard vegetables, (Beans, broccoli, peas, corn, cauliflower, etc), very little bread, pasta or donuts…..It’s the carbs that make you fat. If you don’t burn them off, they accumulate as fat….And that leads to all kinds of problems….

Folks it’s not an absolute a or b choice. Do some research on healthy eating, or read a book about a lifestyle free of nicotine and liquor, excessive sugar and so on. Meat in small servings or rare occasions; seafood, and so on. Do the research and stop trying to post it as vegan/meat. That’s just being lazy and trying to excuse the lazy by posing a false choice.

This is B.S. There is no magic “cure” for diabetes!

Nice to know I don’t have to go to church on Sunday as long as we’ve got people like Wiley Miller preaching at us during the week.

I tried going vegan for about eight weeks a short time ago. I didn’t lose an ounce of weight, and my diabetes and triglycerides stayed just the same – sky high. That’s because I ate way too many calories worth of nuts, soy, and grains, and I still didn’t exercise. It’s not what type of food you eat that does you in. It’s obesity and lack of exercise. Going vegan will not help you with heart disease unless you moderate your caloric intake and start exercising daily.

Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, Dr. Caldwell Essylstein, Dr. John McDougall, and other MDs tell the truth about nutrition and plant based eating. I’ve been following their advice for 36 years, and never felt better. This strip and the comments here seem to demonstrate that we are all very attached to our diets and our opinions. Still the strip is doing a public service if even 1 reader cuts back on meat and dairy. And choosing to not eat bacon really is a life and death choice for the pigs.

If you are not eating a healthy vegan diet yet, you are honestly missing out. There are healthy vegans who eat whole food, plant-based and unhealthy vegans who eat processed vegan crap (Oreos are vegan), so don’t get the two mixed up. A plant-based lifestyle will cause you to drastically slow the aging process and even reverse it. I’m pushing 50, btw. To those who have such a problem with the vegan message, look up “factory farming” in google images. I dare you to take your head out of the sand for a few minutes.

Moderation is the key… there is no need to cut meat out of your diet completely..Also, even if vegan was the “perfect” diet, it won’t help if Bob doesn’t change his lifestyle and exercise more.

Meat and dairy do not cause coronary artery disease. That information is based on the highly biased and highly flawed study by Ansel Keys.

Heart surgeons now know that it is inflammation that causes hardening of the arteries, not high cholesterol. The leading cause of inflammation is sugar and highly processed foods like margarine.

Yes, vegan can fix this. But so can Atkins.

I don’t agree. I eat a very high protein diet (mostly chicken breast, fish and low fat dairy), and my total cholesterol hasn’t been over 145 ( that’s not a typo) since i began regular tests decades ago. And a plant-based diet high in simple carbs, such as pasta and processed white rice, contributes to diabetes, because the carbs turn quickly into sugars. I would also add that a diet high in soy will drive up estrogen in men and drive down testosterone, causing other physical complications. I can support a vegetarian diet, because it can include an adequate amount of complete proteins. But a vegan diet is just plain unhealthy.l

Ummm..even my vegetarian son, who does his food research, says that science no longer sees red meat, dairy, and eggs as culprits in high cholesterol.

Wiley, thank you for writing this series. I just wish you’d cited your research sources, because many folks are unaware that a whole-food, plant-based diet has been shown through MD-conducted, published scientific research to reverse accumulations of plaque in the arteries, among other things. Whether or not the vegan diet is ultimately healthy is another question altogether, but it is an effective treatment for certain conditions, and the average American eats far more meat than the recommended daily amount. Scaling back can be very beneficial without eliminating it entirely, as well as supplementing with plant protein.

Can we get off this Vegan diatribe?

Trouble is, it’s backwards. Meat has no carbs. Veggies give you diabetes – sugar and starches are vegetable-only products. Newest research suggest that it’s true of heart disease as well.

A little disappointing to see the traditional and totally false ideas about treating heart disease in the current story. Low-carb eating (with plenty of meat as well as veggies!), a customized regimen of nutrients in the proper dosages for you individually, and chelation treatment works far better for most than what this strip is preaching. How am I so sure? I’ve done it. Almost the same situation ten years ago, now, the best blood pressure ever, no diabetes, no problems—and all documented. Let’s move on to the next story line and forget about this one, eh?

Willy you almost had me until you bring up the Vegan diet. It is heavily based on ethical principles rather than scientific theories. The most sensible posts on this sight were from Nairebes and others who suggested moderation, more vegetables, and little meat.

Wiley is right about the health benefits!!!(although i’m not vegan-i eat a healthy Thai diet on our island)

Actually – Riley is wrong. Going vegan will not cure diabetes any more than going Atkins or South Beach will cure diabetes. Going vegan may control the diabetes much better than drugs and without the side effects but only if the diabetic sticks to the vegan diet and does not overdo it with fruits or carbs. If all the person does is eliminate meat and dairy and compensates with a lot of bread and fruit, the diabetes will not be controlled.

…touche…

Wiley Miller, CONGRATULATIONS! So few people have the courage to say it right out loud! So true! THANK YOU!