Wow, you have to get up awfully early to comment on C&H. It’s not even late here on the left coast.
Boy that one slushball of Suzy’s managed to cover Calvin’s entire head. He’s mortified that she would do it, and mad that he didn’t do it to her first. He’s got slush all over his head and he’s still worried about impressing Santa.
Pursuant to yesterday and the day before: Calvin hasn’t quite disproven my analysis of his motives. He only picks on Suzie. Why? Can’t be because she’s the only girl he knows. He uses her as the prototype of all “slimy girls” precisely because she’s the one who threatens him the most as an INFJ girl. She, like Hobbes, is his unconscious mind embodied, which makes him terribly uncomfortable.
Possibly true to her developing INFJ-girlhood, Suzie crushes Calvin more often than not in a snowball fight :)
And true to his developing ENFP-boyhood, Calvin finds his peculiar brand of mischief-making has put him between a rock and a hard place. Again. :P
It’s no accident that Hobbes likes Suzie and vice versa. That’s one of the major clues that Calvin really is secretly attracted to Suzie despite himself.
When he duplicates his “good side” in his transmogrifier, that “side” is INFJ too.
And finally, one of the strongest proofs of a person’s Jungian type is what thought process plays out as his “mischeivous child” and gets him into fixes like this one. If bmonk is in the building: INFPs don’t get into such trouble in quite this way (misuse of logical frameworks). ENFPs and ESFPs do, and we can rule out the second because ESFPs don’t have the strong need for fantasy that Calvin does.
I think there are not so many people who are realy deeply evil.
Most are so half half, a part of good and a part of evil and they have to fight for being good!
It’s not like Santa hasn’t seen the way Calvin’s acted from January through November. Just because he’s ”trying” to behave now doesn’t mean Santa’s gonna be fooled…
Nabuquduriuzhur,
Are you saying that “virtue is not its own reward”? That might be true, but Calvin has ‘reward’ from Santa at stake here, or so he thinks.
BTW, I generally appreciate your occasional comments (which is not to exclude the ‘present’ one).
Nabuquduriuzhur,
Are you saying that “virtue is not its own reward”? That might be true, but Calvin has ‘reward’ from Santa at stake here, or so he thinks.
I think that Calvin is weak: he knows, and even in part wants, what is good, but is unable to will and do the good. He’s not really vicious (wanting the bad), and is certainly not virtuous or strong–hence his anguish at being torn between things he wants, the good and the bad.
Since he is weak, virtue is not strong enough in him to be its own reward.
bmonk,
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would, I do not: but the evil that I would not, that I do.” Romans 7:18,19
Even the Apostle Paul apparently had a problem with virtue being its own reward, as noble as it sounds. Ultimately, it’s the hope of the resurrection that makes virtue, suffering, or anything else worthwhile.
“If in this life only, we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable (or most to be pitied).
I Corinthians 15:19
“…if the dead do not rise, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.” - I Corinthians 15:32b
BTW, Isaiah beat Epicurus to the punch on the above saying from Isaiah 22:13 about 700 years BC.
Calvin - in light of the fact that all of us are SIN positive, whether or not we would publicly admit it, we all feel the way you do…so we love you anyway….
I don’t know, Puddleglum–I find that, where I am not tempted to sin, or where sin has been overthrown by grace, virtue is its own reward.
Being honest means I don’t have an elaborate system of stories and lies to keep track of–who knows what and who I need to keep in the dark–I can just live in the truth and let it happen as it will.
Being chaste means I don’t have to play all the games with every pretty face that comes along–I can love them as they deserve. (And it can even freak some out, which is really fun in its own way.)
But we only find that point when we are truly virtuous or strong enough to simulate virtue.
And Calvin sure ain’t there yet! (Hobbes is much closer to it in many ways.)
Calvin is still young enough that he is still learning how to be good. Hopefully, when he is an adult he will be a good person. Unfortunately, some people never do, or want to, become a good person.
Good Heavens: Between the holy, chaste and righteous (and self righteous) on this site I think there are very few of us who actually read this comic to enjoy it. It is a wonderful comic. I love Calvin good or bad. I love Hobbes because he loves Calvin good or bad. I even love Suzie, even when she smacks Calvin with a slushball. I guess I am one of the sinners. I am not always holy, right, chaste or righteous. Lord help me. (and He does, most of the time) According to a lot of you I am headed straight to Hell. In any event, I think Calvin is making his mistakes while he is VERY young. I think he will turn out OK in the end with Hobbes’ help. Have some faith in him folks.
Wait…..because some of us explore the underlying issues very deeply, we’re not enjoying this? This exploration is precisely where we find our enjoyment. And we love it at face value, also.
That’s like looking at two people playing chess and saying, “Why don’t you do something fun.” Don’t assume that, because it bores you, everyone feels the same way.
@ thebird55 - after being criticized for being too analytical and being asked why I even bother to read this strip, I appreciate that last comment. I read C&H because it’s the funniest d*arn comic strip in the modern era. But that doesn’t mean that I can’t analyze if I want. Goodness! And a quick perusal over the comments from others over the last several days shows that I’m not close to being the only one.
I don’t mean to come down on anyone. Some people want entertainment that they don’t have to think about, and some like to think for their entertainment.
Wiseguy411: As this is the first time I’ve been online all day today and Calvin is always my first stop, I looked back at all the comments left after mine on yesterday’s forum and saw the one you left for me (therefore, I left you one there in return).
I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. If you still don’t see where I’m coming from regarding my post yesterday, then I don’t know what else I could possibly say to make it any clearer. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Meanwhile, if you’re going to criticize me for something I said that you don’t like or agree with, then at least get the quote right!
I just can’t see the fun in analyzing a strip. It would be like having to write a book review. And that was never fun to me. Besides there are too many good strips to read to bother taking time to analyzing a single strip to death.
Well said pattybf. I guess the reason I like Marg’s comments is because even tho she is generally the first to comment, she sends a KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. Nice cute concise comments. Thanks Marg.
margueritem almost 14 years ago
LOL, poor Calvin!
GROG Premium Member almost 14 years ago
Since when have you ever been good, Calvin?
Good Morning, Marg, Mike & ♠Lonewolf♠
margueritem almost 14 years ago
GM, Santa Grog!
alviebird almost 14 years ago
Strange how I can ‘see’ the expressions on Calvin’s face.
Love how Susie has thrown with so much energy that her hair is ‘dancing’. (I couldn’t think of a better adjective).
LittleSister18 almost 14 years ago
It’s not nice to hit a girl with anything Calvin.
czp7qt almost 14 years ago
Wow, you have to get up awfully early to comment on C&H. It’s not even late here on the left coast.
Boy that one slushball of Suzy’s managed to cover Calvin’s entire head. He’s mortified that she would do it, and mad that he didn’t do it to her first. He’s got slush all over his head and he’s still worried about impressing Santa.
Dontchajustloveit!
margueritem almost 14 years ago
((Somebodyshort**, I got up at 1:15, and saw the middle part of the eclipse when the moon was amber clored.
pouncingtiger almost 14 years ago
Although Hobbes has a point, I agree, being good is no fun.
Wiseguy411 almost 14 years ago
I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, also.
Good morning Marg, Hobbes, and all.
WoodEye almost 14 years ago
Let her have it Calvin!!!!!!
thirdguy almost 14 years ago
Neither Do I Calvin!!!!!!!!!!!!
garfield246 almost 14 years ago
Look on the bright side Calvin - Susie’s gonna get coal now because she threw that snowball at you.
gjsjr41 almost 14 years ago
Who should get the slushball, Susie or Hobbes?
GM everyone.
Destiny23 almost 14 years ago
^^ No, Susie was justified in her actions – it was a preemptive strike!
Poor Calvin, stuck on the horns of a dilemma…
tis4kis almost 14 years ago
Are we sure those horns are of a dilemma… or of a little devil?
Yukoner almost 14 years ago
Poor Calvin. There is no right action available.
rentier almost 14 years ago
THIS good!!
cdward almost 14 years ago
If it were just a snowball, I’d say go for it, Calvin. The slushball thing is definitely in the naughty column, even in revenge.
mike.firesmith almost 14 years ago
**Good morning Marg! Good morning Fran and Kizzzy! Good Morning L’Wolf! Good Morning Grog!**
How many heads of state have had this same problem, I wonder.
Calvin86 almost 14 years ago
It’s a case of destroying weapons of local destruction before they can be used.
davidf42 almost 14 years ago
Hilarious! I’ve always loved Calvin. An example like this shows why it’s one of the finest comics of all time.
Rakkav almost 14 years ago
Pursuant to yesterday and the day before: Calvin hasn’t quite disproven my analysis of his motives. He only picks on Suzie. Why? Can’t be because she’s the only girl he knows. He uses her as the prototype of all “slimy girls” precisely because she’s the one who threatens him the most as an INFJ girl. She, like Hobbes, is his unconscious mind embodied, which makes him terribly uncomfortable.
Possibly true to her developing INFJ-girlhood, Suzie crushes Calvin more often than not in a snowball fight :)
And true to his developing ENFP-boyhood, Calvin finds his peculiar brand of mischief-making has put him between a rock and a hard place. Again. :P
Rakkav almost 14 years ago
It’s no accident that Hobbes likes Suzie and vice versa. That’s one of the major clues that Calvin really is secretly attracted to Suzie despite himself.
When he duplicates his “good side” in his transmogrifier, that “side” is INFJ too.
And finally, one of the strongest proofs of a person’s Jungian type is what thought process plays out as his “mischeivous child” and gets him into fixes like this one. If bmonk is in the building: INFPs don’t get into such trouble in quite this way (misuse of logical frameworks). ENFPs and ESFPs do, and we can rule out the second because ESFPs don’t have the strong need for fantasy that Calvin does.
(my apologies for making your eyes glaze over)
tltd2010 almost 14 years ago
It’s funny, Suzie looks like a younger version of Calvin’s mom in the first panel. More food for psychoanalysis!
rentier almost 14 years ago
I think there are not so many people who are realy deeply evil. Most are so half half, a part of good and a part of evil and they have to fight for being good!
steeler-hater almost 14 years ago
Calvin should go ahead and let her have it.
It’s not like Santa hasn’t seen the way Calvin’s acted from January through November. Just because he’s ”trying” to behave now doesn’t mean Santa’s gonna be fooled…
cleokaya almost 14 years ago
The whole thing is a snow job Calvin.
unclepoo2 almost 14 years ago
INFJ? I took a personality test and failed :-D
jdacquisto almost 14 years ago
Just hit her and get it over with calvin.
bmonk almost 14 years ago
Nabuquduriuzhur said, about 10 slushballs ago
Virtue’s no fun, Calvin…
Well, I’d say, “Virtue’s no fun–as long as you are feeling forced to be good.”
But it is hilarious!
bmonk almost 14 years ago
@Johannan, I did get into trouble this way in my childhood on occasion–and I was/am as introverted as they come.
Puddleglum2 almost 14 years ago
Destiny23, “You Beat Me to the Punch” - Mary Wells “…it was a preemptive strike!”
Puddleglum2 almost 14 years ago
Nabuquduriuzhur, Are you saying that “virtue is not its own reward”? That might be true, but Calvin has ‘reward’ from Santa at stake here, or so he thinks. BTW, I generally appreciate your occasional comments (which is not to exclude the ‘present’ one).
whitecarabao almost 14 years ago
Good morning to All!
I suspect that all of us saw this coming, and it’s even more hilarious because of that.
Johanan, my eyes glazed over at the phrase “Persuant to yesterday…” and are still glazed over. I’m beginning to feel like a doughnut. ;-)
syke34 almost 14 years ago
Go for it Calvin.
Charles Evans Premium Member almost 14 years ago
Wow, look at how fast that girl runs. Good luck catching her Calvin.
bmonk almost 14 years ago
Puddleglum2 said, about 2 dilemmas ago
Nabuquduriuzhur, Are you saying that “virtue is not its own reward”? That might be true, but Calvin has ‘reward’ from Santa at stake here, or so he thinks.
I think that Calvin is weak: he knows, and even in part wants, what is good, but is unable to will and do the good. He’s not really vicious (wanting the bad), and is certainly not virtuous or strong–hence his anguish at being torn between things he wants, the good and the bad.
Since he is weak, virtue is not strong enough in him to be its own reward.
ratlum almost 14 years ago
Hobbes but out. Calvin slush ball at ready, target steady let it fly. Santa , will understand .
gofinsc almost 14 years ago
Virtue is its own punishment.
SWEETBILL almost 14 years ago
Way to go Susie, Calvins needed some of his own medicine for a long time, GO GIRL!!
Puddleglum2 almost 14 years ago
gofinsc, Did you get that line from The Devil’s Dictionary? :o)
Puddleglum2 almost 14 years ago
bmonk, “For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would, I do not: but the evil that I would not, that I do.” Romans 7:18,19 Even the Apostle Paul apparently had a problem with virtue being its own reward, as noble as it sounds. Ultimately, it’s the hope of the resurrection that makes virtue, suffering, or anything else worthwhile. “If in this life only, we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable (or most to be pitied). I Corinthians 15:19 “…if the dead do not rise, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.” - I Corinthians 15:32b BTW, Isaiah beat Epicurus to the punch on the above saying from Isaiah 22:13 about 700 years BC.
khpage almost 14 years ago
Calvin - in light of the fact that all of us are SIN positive, whether or not we would publicly admit it, we all feel the way you do…so we love you anyway….
bmonk almost 14 years ago
I don’t know, Puddleglum–I find that, where I am not tempted to sin, or where sin has been overthrown by grace, virtue is its own reward.
Being honest means I don’t have an elaborate system of stories and lies to keep track of–who knows what and who I need to keep in the dark–I can just live in the truth and let it happen as it will.
Being chaste means I don’t have to play all the games with every pretty face that comes along–I can love them as they deserve. (And it can even freak some out, which is really fun in its own way.)
But we only find that point when we are truly virtuous or strong enough to simulate virtue.
And Calvin sure ain’t there yet! (Hobbes is much closer to it in many ways.)
metalheadCP almost 14 years ago
The best part of this strip is the first frame where Susie hits him so hard his beanie, gloves, and shoes come off! LOL!!!
scrabblefiend almost 14 years ago
Calvin is still young enough that he is still learning how to be good. Hopefully, when he is an adult he will be a good person. Unfortunately, some people never do, or want to, become a good person.
dandrew55 almost 14 years ago
Calvin, we know you let Suzie get you because you really like her, Kissie Kissie
John Phelps almost 14 years ago
@MerryMarg - I got up to check the eclipse at 2 am and it was full overcast here. :(
Happy Holidays to all!
pattybf almost 14 years ago
Good Heavens: Between the holy, chaste and righteous (and self righteous) on this site I think there are very few of us who actually read this comic to enjoy it. It is a wonderful comic. I love Calvin good or bad. I love Hobbes because he loves Calvin good or bad. I even love Suzie, even when she smacks Calvin with a slushball. I guess I am one of the sinners. I am not always holy, right, chaste or righteous. Lord help me. (and He does, most of the time) According to a lot of you I am headed straight to Hell. In any event, I think Calvin is making his mistakes while he is VERY young. I think he will turn out OK in the end with Hobbes’ help. Have some faith in him folks.
rogue53 almost 14 years ago
Thanks rakkav, I needed a nap. And God forbid we just see the humor without the psycobabble, or higher lessons to be learned.
rogue53 almost 14 years ago
Oh, don’t forget about ENFJ, ESTJ, ISTJ, ESFJ, ISFJ, ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ, ESTP, ISTP, ISFP. I’m looking forward to another nap.
prozino almost 14 years ago
hi all i,m back will be in here more often now a verry merry Christmas to everyone
alviebird almost 14 years ago
Wait…..because some of us explore the underlying issues very deeply, we’re not enjoying this? This exploration is precisely where we find our enjoyment. And we love it at face value, also.
That’s like looking at two people playing chess and saying, “Why don’t you do something fun.” Don’t assume that, because it bores you, everyone feels the same way.
Alxeter8 almost 14 years ago
Even if Calvin does throw a slushball, he’s six, so I think he is entitled to some self-indulgent fun every now and then.
davidf42 almost 14 years ago
@ thebird55 - after being criticized for being too analytical and being asked why I even bother to read this strip, I appreciate that last comment. I read C&H because it’s the funniest d*arn comic strip in the modern era. But that doesn’t mean that I can’t analyze if I want. Goodness! And a quick perusal over the comments from others over the last several days shows that I’m not close to being the only one.
alviebird almost 14 years ago
I don’t mean to come down on anyone. Some people want entertainment that they don’t have to think about, and some like to think for their entertainment.
To each, his own.
PappyFiddle almost 14 years ago
Calvin, you don’t see a girl like that twice in a century. Look at the arm she’s got!
bmonk almost 14 years ago
@pattybf, we do enjoy the comic–we just also like to analyze it to death. Like this recent Freefall…
cdward almost 14 years ago
^Agreed
thebird55, nicely put.
FWIW, I’m an ENFJ - Extroverted-iNtuitive-Feeling-Judging.
No idea who that makes me like in the Potter universe. Probably Neville Longbottom.
Gretchen's Mom almost 14 years ago
Wiseguy411: As this is the first time I’ve been online all day today and Calvin is always my first stop, I looked back at all the comments left after mine on yesterday’s forum and saw the one you left for me (therefore, I left you one there in return).
I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. If you still don’t see where I’m coming from regarding my post yesterday, then I don’t know what else I could possibly say to make it any clearer. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Meanwhile, if you’re going to criticize me for something I said that you don’t like or agree with, then at least get the quote right!
Thank you and Merry Christmas.
Ooops! Premium Member almost 14 years ago
Maybe Santa will bring us both grape jelly guns if we are good Calvin. Of course, that might cause a whole new dilemma for next year.
pouncingtiger almost 14 years ago
Calvin’s snowman-head sequence is priceless. LOL!!!
Wiseguy411 almost 14 years ago
GretchensMom,
It appears that I did not get your meaning, but I am open to enlightenment.
In all, A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
mowammee almost 14 years ago
Humbug: Grape jelly guns???? Can I get one too?
GROG Premium Member almost 14 years ago
I just can’t see the fun in analyzing a strip. It would be like having to write a book review. And that was never fun to me. Besides there are too many good strips to read to bother taking time to analyzing a single strip to death.
rogue53 almost 14 years ago
Well said pattybf. I guess the reason I like Marg’s comments is because even tho she is generally the first to comment, she sends a KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. Nice cute concise comments. Thanks Marg.