IMHO rejecting Churchill in 1945 was the most sensible decision British voters ever made! (He wasn’t a peacetime leader; even after returning to power in 1951 he was basically a doddering figurehead.) If only they’d shown the same sense with Thatcher in 1983…
The British weren’t ungrateful to Churchill. They were just sick and tired of the party that had been in power for 14 years — the Conservatives. The party that had no effective policy to address the Depression. The party that followed a policy of appeasement for the Nazis. Churchill became PM in 1940, after a National Unity Government was created with the Labor and Liberal parties. The Labor party insisted that the Conservatives nominate a candidate for prime minister who had not supported the policy of appeasement. Churchill only became a member of Neville Chamberlain’s government, as First Lord of the Admiralty, after the war started and was an acceptable choice to Labor.
Well Churchill, after his disastrous stint as the Lord of the Admiralty in WW1, had plenty of experience in what NOT to do.
At least he learned from his mistakes, and made a better fist of it in WW2.
Though he still treated the colonials as expendable cannon fodder in both wars.And the colonies too, for that matter. Ordering troops to fight in Africa, instead of defending against the Japanese.
Too bad no one seems to have learned any lessons from the accident. Instead they’re squabbling about the details of what kind of accident and trying to throw spanners in any form of international cooperation for handling the next time—which is quite possibly not going to be an accident.
The United States has had 105,394,979 reported cases of COVID, resulting in 1,146,735 deaths, a rate of a little over 1%. It’s easy to count dead people, because the distinction between dead and alive is pretty stark. Not so easy to account for are the survivors who’ll have chronic medical conditions for the rest of their lives, or the ones whose lives will be significantly shortened because of the havoc that the coronavirus wreaked on their health short of killing them.
History will record that at least half the damage done in America by the pandemic can be laid at the feet of the guy who was Denier in Chief at the time.
Mr. COVID is pretty accurate in naming Jacinda Ardern as his most effective opponent, but there can be little doubt who his most effective ally was.
What stuck in a lot of people’s craw was Tucker Carlton claiming JA was a puppet of the Chinese government, offering no proof for this slander. This from a stooge and asset for the Russians. https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/jacinda-ardern-resignation-china-tucker-carlson-b2265150.html
Working in schools, I still wear a face mask because I have encountered students who are somehow still catching COVID. Not many, thank God, but it’s puzzling how they’re still catching it after 2-3 years of constant preventative measures. I also still see a few other students and teachers wearing face masks, some of us due to underlying conditions that make us more vulnerable to illness.
I still think the whole pandemic started in Wuhan, China with just an open market filled with unsafe conditions and exotic animals. This is still going on in China and the people refuse to close these open markets. That means this viral disease will just carry on in Asia (and maybe the world).
“History won’t be kind” – to whom or what? History is written by the eventual victors – or survivors. World may look quite different in another couple of generations, and not just due to reduced land area and more violent climate. And will it even be H. sapiens writing that history?
And here in the U.S., amidst the national emergency of a pandemic, the members of a major political party (the Republicans, in case I’m not clear) generally decided to support the virus.
You have GOT to be kidding. Blaming those who did not take the jab for spreading Covid? It is settled science that those who got the phony “vaccine” STILL get infected withg Covid and still spread it.
Now, where will the hard hitting strip be about Fauci helping to manufacture the virus in Wuhan by funding the research. Where will he hard hitting piece be about the Fauci coverup?
Wasn’t Trump the winner, didn’t his failed phony lying covid polices kill more Americans per centage wise than any other county killed off its citizens?
Why do you think the ‘red wave’ turned into a creek?
I have had every covid shot available, and two cases of covid after getting the shots. The first time it was a mediumish bad flu, the second less so. I know I would have died without the shot. My brother and son both died of covid very early, before the shots, and I have pretty much all the contributing factors.
At this point, I don’t wear a mask, because I hate them so much that the flu is preferable. And the only reason to wear it is to protect the people who decided not to get the shots. I read somewhere that of those whose party could be identified, the Republicans who died of covid were double the Democrats. I consider it a retaliatory form of voter suppression.
Recently there’s been a spate of opinion pieces claiming that everything would be so much better if only the previous resident of the White House were still in charge. Well, he WAS in charge for four years, so he had his chances. He established a track record. How did he do? Faced with …
• COVID vs. Americans, he chose COVID.
• superstition vs. science, he chose superstition.
• plutocrats vs. commoners, he chose plutocrats.
• Russia vs. Ukraine, he chose Russia.
• toadyism vs. competence, he chose toadyism.
• autocracy vs. democracy, he chose autocracy.
• private gain vs. public good, he chose private gain.
• show vs. substance, he chose show.
• lies vs. honesty, he chose lies.
If he’d come down on the right side of those issues, he might’ve won — and possibly even deserved — re-election. But he didn’t.
When the Decider in Chief makes consistently bad decisions, the people are fully justified in wanting someone else to do the deciding. We’re better off without him.
Agree Churchill was useless after 1942. His idea that Italy was the soft underbelly of the Axis was ridiculous and tied down Allied armies with huge casualties until the end of the war. Attacking from the southern tip and fighting uphill in a northern direction was idiocy. Napoleon had it correct when he said Italy should always be invaded from the top of the boot and not the toe
In addition, Churchill and Montgomery’s paratrooper attack on Norway (A Bridge too Far) was a disaster.
Most of the reasons people think of Churchill as a great leader and a bright fellow are he outlived Roosevelt and Stalin and wrote a ton of books after the war letting everyone know what a genius he was.
Flashaaway over 1 year ago
She’s what a real leader is made of, not owned by anyone or any corporation.
Johnny Q Premium Member over 1 year ago
IMHO rejecting Churchill in 1945 was the most sensible decision British voters ever made! (He wasn’t a peacetime leader; even after returning to power in 1951 he was basically a doddering figurehead.) If only they’d shown the same sense with Thatcher in 1983…
BE THIS GUY over 1 year ago
The British weren’t ungrateful to Churchill. They were just sick and tired of the party that had been in power for 14 years — the Conservatives. The party that had no effective policy to address the Depression. The party that followed a policy of appeasement for the Nazis. Churchill became PM in 1940, after a National Unity Government was created with the Labor and Liberal parties. The Labor party insisted that the Conservatives nominate a candidate for prime minister who had not supported the policy of appeasement. Churchill only became a member of Neville Chamberlain’s government, as First Lord of the Admiralty, after the war started and was an acceptable choice to Labor.
jvo over 1 year ago
Well Churchill, after his disastrous stint as the Lord of the Admiralty in WW1, had plenty of experience in what NOT to do.
At least he learned from his mistakes, and made a better fist of it in WW2.
Though he still treated the colonials as expendable cannon fodder in both wars.And the colonies too, for that matter. Ordering troops to fight in Africa, instead of defending against the Japanese.
DirkTheDaring Premium Member over 1 year ago
A very sad Doonesbury.
shanen0 over 1 year ago
Too bad no one seems to have learned any lessons from the accident. Instead they’re squabbling about the details of what kind of accident and trying to throw spanners in any form of international cooperation for handling the next time—which is quite possibly not going to be an accident.
Richard S Russell Premium Member over 1 year ago
The United States has had 105,394,979 reported cases of COVID, resulting in 1,146,735 deaths, a rate of a little over 1%. It’s easy to count dead people, because the distinction between dead and alive is pretty stark. Not so easy to account for are the survivors who’ll have chronic medical conditions for the rest of their lives, or the ones whose lives will be significantly shortened because of the havoc that the coronavirus wreaked on their health short of killing them.
History will record that at least half the damage done in America by the pandemic can be laid at the feet of the guy who was Denier in Chief at the time.
Mr. COVID is pretty accurate in naming Jacinda Ardern as his most effective opponent, but there can be little doubt who his most effective ally was.
Flashaaway over 1 year ago
What stuck in a lot of people’s craw was Tucker Carlton claiming JA was a puppet of the Chinese government, offering no proof for this slander. This from a stooge and asset for the Russians. https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/jacinda-ardern-resignation-china-tucker-carlson-b2265150.html
Say What? Premium Member over 1 year ago
Working in schools, I still wear a face mask because I have encountered students who are somehow still catching COVID. Not many, thank God, but it’s puzzling how they’re still catching it after 2-3 years of constant preventative measures. I also still see a few other students and teachers wearing face masks, some of us due to underlying conditions that make us more vulnerable to illness.
JudithStocker Premium Member over 1 year ago
I still think the whole pandemic started in Wuhan, China with just an open market filled with unsafe conditions and exotic animals. This is still going on in China and the people refuse to close these open markets. That means this viral disease will just carry on in Asia (and maybe the world).
toondel5 Premium Member over 1 year ago
“History won’t be kind” – to whom or what? History is written by the eventual victors – or survivors. World may look quite different in another couple of generations, and not just due to reduced land area and more violent climate. And will it even be H. sapiens writing that history?
Ignatz Premium Member over 1 year ago
Why would you believe scientists instead of Tucker Carlson?
Alabama Al over 1 year ago
And here in the U.S., amidst the national emergency of a pandemic, the members of a major political party (the Republicans, in case I’m not clear) generally decided to support the virus.
jmarkleonard Premium Member over 1 year ago
He was also against National Health, which is what sunk him.
eced52 over 1 year ago
Her new replacement will make up for it. Results are already coming in.
preacherman Premium Member over 1 year ago
I suspect, like Churchill, history will be kind, Mr. C.
Free or Not? Premium Member over 1 year ago
You have GOT to be kidding. Blaming those who did not take the jab for spreading Covid? It is settled science that those who got the phony “vaccine” STILL get infected withg Covid and still spread it.
Now, where will the hard hitting strip be about Fauci helping to manufacture the virus in Wuhan by funding the research. Where will he hard hitting piece be about the Fauci coverup?
Radish... over 1 year ago
Wasn’t Trump the winner, didn’t his failed phony lying covid polices kill more Americans per centage wise than any other county killed off its citizens?
Why do you think the ‘red wave’ turned into a creek?
Diane Lee Premium Member over 1 year ago
I have had every covid shot available, and two cases of covid after getting the shots. The first time it was a mediumish bad flu, the second less so. I know I would have died without the shot. My brother and son both died of covid very early, before the shots, and I have pretty much all the contributing factors.
At this point, I don’t wear a mask, because I hate them so much that the flu is preferable. And the only reason to wear it is to protect the people who decided not to get the shots. I read somewhere that of those whose party could be identified, the Republicans who died of covid were double the Democrats. I consider it a retaliatory form of voter suppression.
Li'l Dale over 1 year ago
Megaphone Mark is now Marc Maron…
Call me Ishmael over 1 year ago
These comments are great- a free education! Why I’ve read Doonesbury for decades!
mistercatworks over 1 year ago
No good deed goes unpunished. There are still about 3,000 PER WEEK dying of COVID in the U.S.
thevideostoreguy over 1 year ago
Trudeau is so far into the Kool-Aid that he has abandoned all pretense of a glass and is now into a spike-and-hose setup.
The Wolf In Your Midst over 1 year ago
She cared more about her citizens than her ego! This is why women can’t be leaders!
Richard S Russell Premium Member over 1 year ago
Recently there’s been a spate of opinion pieces claiming that everything would be so much better if only the previous resident of the White House were still in charge. Well, he WAS in charge for four years, so he had his chances. He established a track record. How did he do? Faced with …
• COVID vs. Americans, he chose COVID.
• superstition vs. science, he chose superstition.
• plutocrats vs. commoners, he chose plutocrats.
• Russia vs. Ukraine, he chose Russia.
• toadyism vs. competence, he chose toadyism.
• autocracy vs. democracy, he chose autocracy.
• private gain vs. public good, he chose private gain.
• show vs. substance, he chose show.
• lies vs. honesty, he chose lies.
If he’d come down on the right side of those issues, he might’ve won — and possibly even deserved — re-election. But he didn’t.
When the Decider in Chief makes consistently bad decisions, the people are fully justified in wanting someone else to do the deciding. We’re better off without him.
tudza Premium Member over 1 year ago
Wow, all comments about Churchill.
willie_mctell over 1 year ago
Ardern made me want to move to NZ.
RICHD3668 over 1 year ago
Agree Churchill was useless after 1942. His idea that Italy was the soft underbelly of the Axis was ridiculous and tied down Allied armies with huge casualties until the end of the war. Attacking from the southern tip and fighting uphill in a northern direction was idiocy. Napoleon had it correct when he said Italy should always be invaded from the top of the boot and not the toe
In addition, Churchill and Montgomery’s paratrooper attack on Norway (A Bridge too Far) was a disaster.
Most of the reasons people think of Churchill as a great leader and a bright fellow are he outlived Roosevelt and Stalin and wrote a ton of books after the war letting everyone know what a genius he was.
Ermine Notyours over 1 year ago
Hey, equal time! Mark needs to interview bleach and sunlight.
lindz.coop Premium Member over 1 year ago
And your best buddy was trump…over 1.1 million deaths and counting in the US.
rebeccaofficer Premium Member over 1 year ago
Not all NZers :-(. Luckily, her replacement is great too.
Eric_abcd over 1 year ago
Comparing her with Churchill is an insult to Lucinda.
198.23.5.11 over 1 year ago
Churchill appointed Lord Halifax as Ambassador to the USA when he became Prime Minister.
Judging by the way Halifax was portrayed in that Oscar-winning movie,you’d think he ended up on the gallows next to Lord Haw Haw.
Churchill had a bad stroke during his 1950’s term,they hid how bad it was from the public(same as Eisenhower’s heart attacks).