The first impression many people got was deceptively misleading … in the opening moments of the debate, Joe Biden shuffled in and appeared to many to be as old as the worst of the stereotypes had portrayed him and, yes, initial panic set in among many of us Biden supporters. We were too focused on Biden’s stumble out of the gate and not seeing what the low-information, undecideds were seeing.
Then Donald Trump got the first question, a simple one about the effect of how his tariff proposal would raise consumer prices, and in addition to beginning the start of his torrent of constant false statements, also demonstrated that he doesn’t have the slightest idea of how tariffs actually work. Trump spoke forcefully and with the illusion of confidence, but what came out of his mouth was so obviously false, so obviously ignorant of policy and so full of nastiness that it turned undecided voters off.
And the longer the debate wore on, the more Donald Trump responded to questions of policy by simply ignoring the question and talking about whatever else he wanted to talk about. Question about childcare? Don’t say a single word about childcare, but pivot to China and tell some more lies and demonstrate some more ignorance.
After that, Trump continued to lie in a constant stream of obviously misrepresent facts that even the low-information undecided voters could tell were fake as they revealed in focus debates after the debate (seriously, “I did not have sex with that porn star” — shades of Bill Clinton denying his brief encounter with Monica Lewinsky), demonstrate policy ignorance, and put on a display of nastiness beyond what he normally demonstrates.
As the debate wore on, Trump became increasingly unhinged and — talk about stamina and staying upright for ninety minutes — Biden got warmed up, his voice grew stronger, his attacks grew sharper and he showed more of the real Joe Biden.
Hah! Even one of the biggest Biden bootlickers, Clay Jones, finally acknowledges the truth! Sorry, Gavin is not eligible, being a cis, straight, white male, he checks off zero of the diversity boxes that are so important to leftists.
Off topic. Why did they take Prickly City and La Cucaracha off the political page? Any others taken off? Why isn’t Tom the Dancing Bug on the political page.
Biden presents as a piece like Pachelbel’s Canon. What the democrats need — and have needed for years — is a candidate who presents as a different piece — like the Toccata from Widor’s# 5th organ symphony.
Give each piece a listen if you want to see — hear — what I’m getting at here.
(#) The man’s name is pronounced, “VEE-door.” As age is a consideration here, let it be understood that Widor holds the record for the longest tenure, 63 years, as organist as Saint-Sulpice in Paris until he stepped down at age 89.
We are electing a team and an agenda, not a single combat warrior. Would I prefer having someone younger at the helm? 100% But the Biden agenda and the team that he has installed was so so far superior to anything that trump came close to assembling during his 4 miserable years, that Biden could be in a Stephen Hawking wheelchair with a speech computer and I would still vote for him if he were the opposing candidate to trump.
I’m the most anti-trump person there is, but I think poor Biden lost the election last night. His rally was too late and even though the Cheeto Beneto told one lie after another, his base ate it up and he probably picked up enough fence sitters to cinch the election. Sad day for America.
I am not sure what Clay’s take on this really is…. is he jumping on the dump Biden bandwagon or is he poking fun at the dump Biden bandwagon?
For me, the media hype about dumping Biden is ageism and is horribly wrong. Biden did not have a great debate, BUT, his record and his attitude and his having easily won all primaries speaks of his being the right choice. To switch now is in my opinion ludicrous and is really a form of age discrimination. To switch also, IMO assures Trump of a win.
I think Biden can and will show he is the right candidate to lead. I find both NYT and CNN to be very abhorrent in their current reporting and behavior about the debate. The whole of the debate was not a “disaster” and in the second half Biden showed a lot of strength.
So now we all know that the MSM was feeding everyone a choreographed and false depiction of a dying man as though he were completely competent. Republicans have known it all along; Democrats only lost their ability to deny it on Thursday night. They weren’t just lied to, they were shielded from the truth. This is why the Democrats have collectively typecast anyone who questions why the Hur report wasn’t released as a conspiracy junkie.
“He’s fine, especially behind closed doors!” But only if they were the doors of a tomb. Those doors were removed on Thursday night, and it didn’t just expose Old Slo Joe. It exposed the entire MSM that contributed to a world-class deception. This is the real crime we all witnessed on Thursday night.
OK, Biden was awful. He is old and to be honest about it debating was never his strong point. And, it is difficult to produce proof of the fact that practically every thing Trump said was a lie. So, why am I still voting for Biden? Because his record includes:
Inherited worst unemployment and crashed economy in a hundred years and turned it around into unprecedented economic growth and success.
Dragged us out of covid epidemic that would have been much lees of a problem if Trump hadn’t dismantled the agency Obama set up to handle epidemics.Believes in global warning and efforts to reduce the damage it will cause
Most jobs created of any first term president
Lower drug pricesLowest prolonged unemployment in 60 years
Bringing inflation down
Wage growth exceeds inflation
Capping credit card late fees and limiting junk fees in other businesses
Student loan forgiveness
Record stock market highs
Reduced annual budget deficit every year
Passed first bi-partisan gun legislation in thirty years
Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill
Strengthened relations with NATO and other allies
Delivered BIPARTISAN BORDER BILL before Trump ordered it blocked and obstructed so he could keep his top wedge issue unsolved and run on a problem that exists solely because of Trump.
Achieved all of this despite unprecedented Republican obstruction and despite having literally the narrowest possible Senate majority (50-50 in his first two years) and a vice president who set the all-time record for most tie-breaking votes in all of U.S. history.
BUT, NONE OF THESE ARE THE MAIN REASON I’M VOTING FOR HIM. THE MAIN REASON IS THAT HE ISN’T TRUMP.
The president isn’t giving any body warm fuzzies, but to change ships this late in the game will play into the opposition’s hands. Remember, Reagan was into his dementia while in office, and his party stood behind him. Dem’s need to do the same for Joe for better and support Ms. Harris when her time comes.
“THE MAIN REASON I’M VOTING FOR BIDEN IS THAT HE ISN’T TRUMP.”
In other words, your hatred for Trump outweighs you love for your country. This allows you to ignore the fact that, right now, You have no idea who is actually running the country. Yes, we all understand that.
imagenesis 4 days ago
I missed the whole debate because I ended up working almost 13 hours yesterday, but the segments I saw on the news and on PBS was very hard to watch!
DD Wiz Premium Member 4 days ago
The first impression many people got was deceptively misleading … in the opening moments of the debate, Joe Biden shuffled in and appeared to many to be as old as the worst of the stereotypes had portrayed him and, yes, initial panic set in among many of us Biden supporters. We were too focused on Biden’s stumble out of the gate and not seeing what the low-information, undecideds were seeing.
Then Donald Trump got the first question, a simple one about the effect of how his tariff proposal would raise consumer prices, and in addition to beginning the start of his torrent of constant false statements, also demonstrated that he doesn’t have the slightest idea of how tariffs actually work. Trump spoke forcefully and with the illusion of confidence, but what came out of his mouth was so obviously false, so obviously ignorant of policy and so full of nastiness that it turned undecided voters off.
And the longer the debate wore on, the more Donald Trump responded to questions of policy by simply ignoring the question and talking about whatever else he wanted to talk about. Question about childcare? Don’t say a single word about childcare, but pivot to China and tell some more lies and demonstrate some more ignorance.
After that, Trump continued to lie in a constant stream of obviously misrepresent facts that even the low-information undecided voters could tell were fake as they revealed in focus debates after the debate (seriously, “I did not have sex with that porn star” — shades of Bill Clinton denying his brief encounter with Monica Lewinsky), demonstrate policy ignorance, and put on a display of nastiness beyond what he normally demonstrates.
As the debate wore on, Trump became increasingly unhinged and — talk about stamina and staying upright for ninety minutes — Biden got warmed up, his voice grew stronger, his attacks grew sharper and he showed more of the real Joe Biden.
Denver Reader Premium Member 4 days ago
Gavin Newsom isn’t the answer.
Guy from southern Indiana 4 days ago
340,000,000 Americans, and the best two candidates are a senile old man and senile narcissistic sociopathic adulterous convicted felon?!? Sad.
VegaAlopex 4 days ago
Sure…Gavin Newsom et alii will be available in 2028….
DC Swamp 4 days ago
Hah! Even one of the biggest Biden bootlickers, Clay Jones, finally acknowledges the truth! Sorry, Gavin is not eligible, being a cis, straight, white male, he checks off zero of the diversity boxes that are so important to leftists.
Kurtass Premium Member 4 days ago
Off topic. Why did they take Prickly City and La Cucaracha off the political page? Any others taken off? Why isn’t Tom the Dancing Bug on the political page.
Thanks
Breeana 4 days ago
IF 45 BECOME 47…. THERE WILL BE NO 48 AND BEYOND.
A# 466 4 days ago
Allow me a musical analogy.
Biden presents as a piece like Pachelbel’s Canon. What the democrats need — and have needed for years — is a candidate who presents as a different piece — like the Toccata from Widor’s# 5th organ symphony.
Give each piece a listen if you want to see — hear — what I’m getting at here.
(#) The man’s name is pronounced, “VEE-door.” As age is a consideration here, let it be understood that Widor holds the record for the longest tenure, 63 years, as organist as Saint-Sulpice in Paris until he stepped down at age 89.Kilrwat Premium Member 4 days ago
We are electing a team and an agenda, not a single combat warrior. Would I prefer having someone younger at the helm? 100% But the Biden agenda and the team that he has installed was so so far superior to anything that trump came close to assembling during his 4 miserable years, that Biden could be in a Stephen Hawking wheelchair with a speech computer and I would still vote for him if he were the opposing candidate to trump.
Psilocybin Fernensis 4 days ago
Fern 5 days ago
Are you gonna endorse Newscum when Biden loses this debate on Thursday?
smithsilverstrea 4 days ago
I won’t vote for Gavin.
akachman Premium Member 4 days ago
Calm the f*** down, please. No time of panic. Traitor trump must be defeated to save America and the world.
luckyduck 4 days ago
I’m the most anti-trump person there is, but I think poor Biden lost the election last night. His rally was too late and even though the Cheeto Beneto told one lie after another, his base ate it up and he probably picked up enough fence sitters to cinch the election. Sad day for America.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member 4 days ago
I am not sure what Clay’s take on this really is…. is he jumping on the dump Biden bandwagon or is he poking fun at the dump Biden bandwagon?
For me, the media hype about dumping Biden is ageism and is horribly wrong. Biden did not have a great debate, BUT, his record and his attitude and his having easily won all primaries speaks of his being the right choice. To switch now is in my opinion ludicrous and is really a form of age discrimination. To switch also, IMO assures Trump of a win.
I think Biden can and will show he is the right candidate to lead. I find both NYT and CNN to be very abhorrent in their current reporting and behavior about the debate. The whole of the debate was not a “disaster” and in the second half Biden showed a lot of strength.
Ontman 4 days ago
Panic sets in. Maybe shift focus to the House and Senate.
ShadowMaster 4 days ago
Clay, you are playing into Fern’s wet dream…
IndyW 4 days ago
No Newsom PLEASE! Look what he’s done for California.
oakie817 4 days ago
the heck with Newsom…Michelle 2024!!!!!!!!
clayjonz creator 4 days ago
It’s not as much about who Biden is replaced with as much as it’s about Biden being replaced. Newsome is just the most obvious name.
Chazz 4 days ago
I’m still on the Joe Train.
s49nav 4 days ago
So now we all know that the MSM was feeding everyone a choreographed and false depiction of a dying man as though he were completely competent. Republicans have known it all along; Democrats only lost their ability to deny it on Thursday night. They weren’t just lied to, they were shielded from the truth. This is why the Democrats have collectively typecast anyone who questions why the Hur report wasn’t released as a conspiracy junkie.
“He’s fine, especially behind closed doors!” But only if they were the doors of a tomb. Those doors were removed on Thursday night, and it didn’t just expose Old Slo Joe. It exposed the entire MSM that contributed to a world-class deception. This is the real crime we all witnessed on Thursday night.
Diane Lee Premium Member 4 days ago
OK, Biden was awful. He is old and to be honest about it debating was never his strong point. And, it is difficult to produce proof of the fact that practically every thing Trump said was a lie. So, why am I still voting for Biden? Because his record includes:
Inherited worst unemployment and crashed economy in a hundred years and turned it around into unprecedented economic growth and success.
Dragged us out of covid epidemic that would have been much lees of a problem if Trump hadn’t dismantled the agency Obama set up to handle epidemics.Believes in global warning and efforts to reduce the damage it will cause
Most jobs created of any first term president
Lower drug pricesLowest prolonged unemployment in 60 years
Bringing inflation down
Wage growth exceeds inflation
Capping credit card late fees and limiting junk fees in other businesses
Student loan forgiveness
Record stock market highs
Reduced annual budget deficit every year
Passed first bi-partisan gun legislation in thirty years
Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill
Strengthened relations with NATO and other allies
Delivered BIPARTISAN BORDER BILL before Trump ordered it blocked and obstructed so he could keep his top wedge issue unsolved and run on a problem that exists solely because of Trump.
Achieved all of this despite unprecedented Republican obstruction and despite having literally the narrowest possible Senate majority (50-50 in his first two years) and a vice president who set the all-time record for most tie-breaking votes in all of U.S. history.
BUT, NONE OF THESE ARE THE MAIN REASON I’M VOTING FOR HIM. THE MAIN REASON IS THAT HE ISN’T TRUMP.
ncorgbl 4 days ago
No need. One bad day. tRump has had how many bad years?
Drag0nr1der 4 days ago
The president isn’t giving any body warm fuzzies, but to change ships this late in the game will play into the opposition’s hands. Remember, Reagan was into his dementia while in office, and his party stood behind him. Dem’s need to do the same for Joe for better and support Ms. Harris when her time comes.
s49nav 4 days ago
“THE MAIN REASON I’M VOTING FOR BIDEN IS THAT HE ISN’T TRUMP.”
In other words, your hatred for Trump outweighs you love for your country. This allows you to ignore the fact that, right now, You have no idea who is actually running the country. Yes, we all understand that.
Slowly, he turned... 4 days ago
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