@TaxMan: Violent people with guns kill much more easily and in larger numbers than violent people with tire irons or knives. Remember that stabbing rampage at a Pennsylvania high school in April? ZERO deaths. Tragic, sure, but at least every single one of those victims got to see their families and friends again. Your logic is fatal.
If only those McDonald’s patrons had all been carrying weapons like they are supposed to be, they could have all returned fire — at least some of the survivors.
Yes, a gun is simply a “tool”, just like a hammer, a knife, or axe. For those who say guns are no different in the outcome of their use than a knife, etc, I propose a test. I will give you 100 knifes, 600 hammers, and 200 axes, you stand where you are without moving your feet, and I’ll walk 100 yards away with my .308 and five rounds of ammunition. At the word “go”, you use your tools to try to kill me, and I’ll use mine in response.
“We’ve had rich and poor for generations. If you massage the data enough, you can make it say whatever you want.”
Sometimes the gap becomes dangerously wide. The French nobles during the Reign of Terror, Russian industrialists of Czarist times. The British nobles were smarter. They didn’t want to give up all their privileges but they knew when to yield a bit here, later, a bit there, and avoided bloody revolution.
“Ichiro Kawachi, M.D., Ph.D., is Professor of Social Epidemiology, and Chair of the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences at the Harvard School of Public Health. Kawachi received both his medical degree and Ph.D. (in epidemiology) from the University of Otago, New Zealand. He has taught at the Harvard School of Public Health since 1992. Kawachi has published over 400 articles on the social and economic determinants of population health. He was the co-editor (with Lisa Berkman) of the first textbook on Social Epidemiology, published by Oxford University Press in 2000. His other books include The Health of Nations with Bruce Kennedy (The New Press, 2002); Neighborhoods and Health with Lisa Berkman (Oxford University Press, 2003); Globalization and Health with Sarah Wamala of the Swedish National Institute of Public Health (Oxford University Press, 2006),;and Social Capital and Health (Springer, 2008) co-edited with S.V. Subramanian and Daniel Kim. Kawachi is the Senior Editor (Social Epidemiology) of the international journal Social Science & Medicine since 2000. He is an elected member of the Institute of Medicine of the US National Academy of Sciences.”+Obviously unreliable.
Mneedle about 10 years ago
It is violent people. The gun is simply a tool just like a tire iron or a knife or a car.
Did you know that pencils are the cause of math errors and misspellings? And that cars cause death in car accidents? It can not be the people.
NotReese about 10 years ago
@TaxMan: Violent people with guns kill much more easily and in larger numbers than violent people with tire irons or knives. Remember that stabbing rampage at a Pennsylvania high school in April? ZERO deaths. Tragic, sure, but at least every single one of those victims got to see their families and friends again. Your logic is fatal.
lonecat about 10 years ago
No, let’s just toot our little tin horns. Thinking is too hard.
braindead Premium Member about 10 years ago
If only those McDonald’s patrons had all been carrying weapons like they are supposed to be, they could have all returned fire — at least some of the survivors.
Dtroutma about 10 years ago
Yes, a gun is simply a “tool”, just like a hammer, a knife, or axe. For those who say guns are no different in the outcome of their use than a knife, etc, I propose a test. I will give you 100 knifes, 600 hammers, and 200 axes, you stand where you are without moving your feet, and I’ll walk 100 yards away with my .308 and five rounds of ammunition. At the word “go”, you use your tools to try to kill me, and I’ll use mine in response.
Best ’o luck to you.
Odon Premium Member about 10 years ago
Your mixing words with numbers will just up the confusion.
Jason Allen about 10 years ago
WTF? Did you have low blood sugar related crankiness, or are you just mad because you can’t refute what martens posted?
moosemin about 10 years ago
“We’ve had rich and poor for generations. If you massage the data enough, you can make it say whatever you want.”
Sometimes the gap becomes dangerously wide. The French nobles during the Reign of Terror, Russian industrialists of Czarist times. The British nobles were smarter. They didn’t want to give up all their privileges but they knew when to yield a bit here, later, a bit there, and avoided bloody revolution.
OmqR-IV.0 about 10 years ago
tooted: “Get a life”
My horn doesn’t toot. It’s a vuvuzela. What horn do you have that onomatopoeicallyit toots“Get a life” ?
Wacky Jacky about 10 years ago
If I had a nickle every time I heard the phrase ‘Never again!’, I’d be a rich man by now.
Gypsy8 about 10 years ago
Well, one thing has been inadvertently proven – the high gun deaths, mass shootings, and gun homicides in the U.S. is multi-causal.
lonecat about 10 years ago
“Ichiro Kawachi, M.D., Ph.D., is Professor of Social Epidemiology, and Chair of the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences at the Harvard School of Public Health. Kawachi received both his medical degree and Ph.D. (in epidemiology) from the University of Otago, New Zealand. He has taught at the Harvard School of Public Health since 1992. Kawachi has published over 400 articles on the social and economic determinants of population health. He was the co-editor (with Lisa Berkman) of the first textbook on Social Epidemiology, published by Oxford University Press in 2000. His other books include The Health of Nations with Bruce Kennedy (The New Press, 2002); Neighborhoods and Health with Lisa Berkman (Oxford University Press, 2003); Globalization and Health with Sarah Wamala of the Swedish National Institute of Public Health (Oxford University Press, 2006),;and Social Capital and Health (Springer, 2008) co-edited with S.V. Subramanian and Daniel Kim. Kawachi is the Senior Editor (Social Epidemiology) of the international journal Social Science & Medicine since 2000. He is an elected member of the Institute of Medicine of the US National Academy of Sciences.”+Obviously unreliable.
lonecat about 10 years ago
Yeah, I’ve noticed that. I don’t think he’s interested in debate.