Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for November 10, 2016

Orangutan breaks out, is now loose in Bush Gardens. News at 11.

He’s the new “Teflon Don.”

Nothing Trump is charged with will go to trial. It’d be impossible to find an impartial jury, and the impact of a conviction would be too big for any prosecutor to want to touch.

There was too much drama in this last campaign. Can the next election be a musical?

When you are president it has been tradional lately to leave the prez alone. Though it was broken to go after WJC and once he was out they did go after Reagan.

Before Donald Trump raises his right hand to take the oath of office in January, he’s set for a less-auspicious swearing-in: taking the witness stand in his own defense in a federal court civil trial over alleged fraud in his Trump University real estate seminar program.

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Trump faces a legal ordeal no president-elect has ever encountered: juggling defending himself before a jury with preparing for the vast challenges a political novice will face in assuming the presidency.

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And the class-action case set for trial the Monday after Thanksgiving is just one of a plethora of lawsuits and threatened suits Trump was entangled in during the campaign—litigation that doesn’t seem likely to disappear anytime soon and might even intensify with Trump headed to the White House.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-court-university-231082

Many Americans who weren’t happy with the nominee sulked and either didn’t vote or spoiled their ballot paper. The freedom and liberty their ancestors faught for has been wasted on them and they should hang their heads in shame. Others didn’t turn out due to apathy and thought Hillary was a forgone conclusion. That’s how Hitler came to power.

I have never imagined what goes on backstage at a rock show, but I would imagine it entails a perfectly civilized tea party. I would think that being “like a rock star” should be much like being an aging pensioner cat lady, all lace, doilies and the occasional hair ball.

I am also baffled by the concept of “willing participant”.

Today only!

Deep, deep discounts on Trump!

Black Wednesday Sale extended!

George Bush or global warming.

Sadly, the election of Trump is not a point of humor. It is a sad, sad day in the history of this Republic. The only thing more sad are those that overlooked the BS of this flim flam man and voted him into the highest office in the land, one he will use for his own purposes just like he has with every deal he has ever been a part of. He’s a snake oil salesman that just made the biggest sale of his life .. and we get to be stuck with the bill, and its a bill his supporters will not long forget or regret and the rest of us, too. May God have mercy on the sold out soul of this country.

So apparently GOP congresmen aren’t endangered species after all

These people claim they are leaving the US if Trump is elected:

Rosie O’DonnellLena DunhamChelsea HandlerJon StewartCherChloe SevignyElizabeth MossLily Rose DeppMiley CyrusSamuel L. JacksonNeve CampbellRaven SymoneEddie GriffinI could not find anyone who said they will leave the country if Hillary won.

I wonder if any of those in that list will actually leave?

well, I see nothing has changed here in the echo chamber.carry on.

The difference between Clinton ad Trump is one uses the laws to his advantage no matter how despicable his actions may be. The other feels she is above the law and will use any method to get what she wants while always arranging for someone else to take the blame. If there had been anyone else on the democratic ticket running against Trump I would have gladly voted for them but I, along with a great many other Americans voted against allowing Hillary to become the dictator of the USA. It is ironic that so many of the reasons that people are saying they are against Trump apply to Hillary is a much greater way. Americans woke up Tuesday morning and looked in the mirror and voted for the person that truly looked like America. The reflection was not that of Americans but of America right now with all of the hate between the races. I truly wish that people would return to thinking of themselves as Americans and not trying to divide the country by thinking of themselves as a separate group with the terms _______-Americans. I was taught in school that it was an honor to be called an American but now to be called an American is a curse.

I would just like to say @HillaryClinton @BarackObama @DNC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! We The People, SPOKE!

it’s a little late now to care about whether the latest version of St. Reagan’s Trickle Down Neoliberal Austerity screws the American people.

way too late and you have inherited the wind from voting all these years before for the same creatures that created Trump’s election.

way, way too late

@Radish

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“….Trump faces a legal ordeal no president-elect has ever encountered: juggling defending himself before a jury with preparing for the vast challenges a political novice will face in assuming the presidency. "

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I have got to research this more thoroughly, when I have time but I am curious as to whether or not there is a Presidential Immunity from Prosecution in law or tradition ?I’m not speaking of prosecution resulting in impeachment but rather prosecution in the civil or criminal courts.

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Can Trump actually be tried after he is sworn in ?

Would any pending charges in civil or criminal court be deferred until he fulfills his term of office ?

Are there any laws, legal precedents or traditions pertaining to this ?

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Also, is it necessary by law, for Trump to divest himself of his financial holdings and corporate branding ?

Or again, is this simply a matter of tradition, so that the POTUS appears to have no vested interests that might affect his governance ?

If it’s the latter, given Trump’s history, I’d be surprised it he didn’t buck that tradition.

I guess we all can’t get a mulligan from the FBI, can we?

LMAO! All this Liberal whining and crying is actually very entertaining.

It is truly funny because what they do not realize is that WE ARE ALL LOSERS!

Conan: " Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women."

As a delightful Irishman once said ( who disagreed with two other flower show judges), “That’s democracy in action. Let’s move on”. Great advise. Let’s move on and work toward a better nation and people.

No matter what you say, on Jan 20 Trump is president for four long years. Get used to it, Wiley.

Like I said yesterday, it’s time to stop. The election’s over. The states won. the people be damned.

Skankles? Seriously? I thought commentators on this board had to be at least 13 years old. Guess another pre-pubescent boy slipped through the cracks.

Get off HRC — you got your criminal going into office. Get a life.

I really hoped that once the election was over, regardless of the outcome, that Wiley would drop the political bullshit and go back to having an entertaining strip.

I was hoping the same thing.

It’s not difficult to imagine years of internal squabbling coming from a divided nation. This will result in economic and social stagnation, a significantly devalued dollar and the fall of the US at the leader of the free world. Thanks bunch republicans!

That was supposed to be more than one paragraph, and I included HTML paragraph breaks – but both new lines and the bracket-p-bracket HTML are now filtered out. Darn Go-Comics!

Just another system spin; life lies on. . .

What’s with you people? Voted Bush in twice. Made such a hash-up Obama had a bad mess to contend with. Now you elected Trump. You didn’t learn from your past mistake now heaven help you!

“As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents more and more closely the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

H. L. Mencken, circa 1930

Hello…Civil suits are often a cost of doing business; whereas acting selfishly and exposing US secrets is a criminal act. An organization the size of Trump that interacts with tens of thousands of people will have thousands of claims against it. Trump is not the type to throw Trillions of dollars at a problem without first trying to mitigate potential losses. Legal actions are also a method of softening up an opponent to make the negotiation easier. Been there and done that a lot in the last 30 years. Never hire an attorney to make decisions for you; only hire an attorney to tell you his opinion of the legal ramifications of a proposed action. That is the problem with the US government: we have the wrong people doing the wrong thing: too many attorneys doing the thinking and making the decisions. This toon is still great and has a good point.

Dear Tin Man.

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Apparently you haven’t noticed. The ‘election’ is over and your sweetheart won.

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Can’t you find someone else to hate on now?

There is no reason why you should take offense to Trump’s comments about women unless you have a mother.

He’ll spend about an hour getting sworn in, and 4 years being sworn at.

@Night-Gaunt49

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Not just the president, but the entire govt is immune from civil suits.

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Only if, – as markmoss1 so ably pointed out – this pertains to the President regarding crimes committed while in office – Or, actions of a government employee acting at the behest of his government.

BUT… there is NO Immunity for criminal acts or civil liability for actions, that have no bearing on the performance of the Federal employee’s job.

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For example, if the Attorney General was involved in a car accident while drunk, and killed someone, he would be arrested on charges of negligent homicide and DUI.

He could, likewise be sued by the victim’s family, for civil damages.

One would expect that the President would though, either immediately call for the AG’s resignation or fire him !

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But who knows will go on in Trumplandia ?

News flash! It’s over —you can stop your infantile name calling and go crawl back under your rock!

Note: the Constitution protects members of Congress and the President/ VP from CRIMINAL charges while actively in office, to prevent harassments the founders resented from the British. TORT and Civil suits aren’t the same, cabinet officers for example are routinely named in civil suits against the government seeking redress. That’s why NIxon would have had to be impeached and removed (impeachment doesn’t guarantee removal) upon CONVICTION in the Senate, before facing criminal charges. Ford saved a lot of Chaffatz type BS by pardoning Nixon in advance.

I have never liked the electoral college, even when I was learning about it back in junior high in the late ‘70s, that makes some states more important than others. Republicans only complain about gerrymandering, when they aren’t the ones doing it. As,for pardoning HIllary. Obama doesn’t have to pardon her. She has never been indicted for nor found guilty of any crimes. The only reason for the repeated investigations, which the Republicans knew were witch hunts, was to sew doubt. They hoped enough people would fall for that tactic and it worked. The cigarette companies were the first ones to use that tactic. Complete denial could be proven wrong, but sew doubt, people can be coaxed into forming false opinions in their heads.The onlypardoning thatwill happen, will be when Trump steps down in order to allow a President Pence to pardon him. If nothing else, perhaps we have proven that you can’t fix stupid.Don’t get used to the low fuel prices that having a calm cool President gained us in stabilizing the economy. Most of us are better off then we were 8 years ago, the problem is, the delusional working right believe since they are not millionaires they aren’t better off.

@markmoss1

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O.K. Here’s what I have found regarding what you were alluding to:

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" In Clinton v. Jones,743 the Court, in a case of first impression, held that the President did not have qualified immunity from suit for conduct alleged to have taken place prior to his election to the Presidency, which would entitle him to delay of both the trial and discovery. The Court held that its precedents affording the President immunity from suit for his official conduct — primarily on the basis that he should be enabled to perform his duties effectively without fear that a particular decision might give rise to personal liability — were inapplicable in this kind of case. Moreover, the separation-of-powers doctrine did not require a stay of all private actions against the President. Separation of powers is preserved by guarding against the encroachment or aggrandizement of one of the coequal branches of the Government at the expense of another. However, a federal trial court tending to a civil suit in which the President is a party performs only its judicial function, not a function of another branch. No decision by a trial court could curtail the scope of the President’s powers. The trial court, the Supreme Court observed, had sufficient powers to accommodate the President’s schedule and his workload, so as not to impede the President’s performance of his duties. Finally, the Court stated its belief that allowing such suits to proceed would not generate a large volume of politically motivated harassing and frivolous litigation. Congress has the power, the Court advised, if it should think necessary to legislate, to afford the President protection.744 "

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Laws > United States Constitution > Presidential Immunity From Judicial Direction

Jim in CT – Hillary is the Teflon Queen – who will protect her when Obama is out of office? Or is she hoping for a Statute to Expire?

You call it “confessing to a crime”, we call it “being presidential”. And since the public is too ignorant to tell the difference or care about it, everyone can just forget about it.

A single sentence defintion of “postmodern,” please?