JumpStart by Robb Armstrong for January 02, 2017

Joe really don´t think Ray can change. :(

No secrets.

Those who want to hide a criminal past for the good of the criminal do a disservice to potential victims.

Knowing Ray, they can tell he has changed.

Not all change.

Complaining that having past deeds known makes it hard on the criminal, implies that there should be no cost for taking the “easy” way before.

Misplaced sympathy.

Do you think he’d steal practice gear and sweaty clothes?

I’m really tired of Joe acting this way. He can be a real jerk!

I say give Joe a break. He’s looking at it from a cop’s perspective. He KNOWS Ray Ramsey’s past, and I’m guessing Ray wasn’t just a petty thief or small-time hustler. Yes, everyone deserves a shot at forgiveness and redemption – I think Joe is simply saying, “Not so fast.” We don’t know for sure whether Joe is right or wrong.

Joe’s breaking the law if he’s forwarding an NCIS rap sheet to non-law enforcement.

Apikoros said,

@DavidHuieGreen

“What about the idea of having paid one’s debt?”

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A silly idea used to fool ourselves.

Some things simply can’t be repaid.

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Incarcerating someone benefits nobody other than protecting others from further predation. It does give the criminal time to reconsider his actions, his path, his destination.

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It also gives him the opportunity to learn new skills — good ones or bad ones. Done right, he will no longer be a burden on society.

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Nonetheless, they are not repaying society during this time.

Nor should his happiness be more important than public and personal safety.

Disclosure laws make sure that the person hasn’t finished paying the debt. No apartment, no home, no job so why is the recidivism rate so high?

Stan King said,

@DavidHuieGreen

“Misplaced judgment too. There is no evidence that Ray is hiding anything.”

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Nope, none whatsoever.

And as a result, people who know him have decided to give him several chances.

So far, so good.

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Ray probably would, evidence he has grown morally.

Others I have seen covered their pasts or rewrote them to be less serious or to place blame elsewhere.

There was a case recently in which a man admitted a criminal past but lied about what it was — the brutal rape of a little girl. He tortured and killed several people afterward, some of whom probably thought he had “paid his debt to society” if they knew anything at all.

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It stopped being “his story” when he involved other people by his crimes. Assuming Donald Trump had ever committed a crime (yes, very unlikely, but ASSUMING), would you want it covered up?

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He is cautious and suspicious. It has kept him alive in the past.

Ray’s integrity is not insulted by showing its previous absence.

Uninformed intelligence is not insulted by information.

Night-Gaunt49 said,

“Disclosure laws make sure that the person hasn’t finished paying the debt. No apartment, no home, no job so why is the recidivism rate so high?”

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Right, he hasn’t paid it just by getting out of jail.

You would rather the government keep secrets from us?

If all the cards were stacked against them. why is the recidivism rate so low? just 67.8% within 3 years.

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(In truth, most procure homes and jobs even though banks, schools, daycares, pharmacies are less likely to hire them.

Blatant prejudice!

I propose we train them to provide health care and have them provide health care at free clinics paid for by Homeland Security as part of their biological warfare defense effort. Don’t even bother with prisons; just keep them in the clinics 24/7 for however long seems reasonable.)

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“Property offenders were the most likely to be rearrested, with 82.1 percent of released property offenders arrested for a new crime compared with

76.9 percent of drug offenders,

73.6 percent of public order offenders and

71.3 percent of violent offenders."

https://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/pages/welcome.aspx#statistics

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Excuse the drug offenders if you wish; pretend they are forced to be drug users.

Consider what action “forced” 7/10th to commit violent acts or act against public order.

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Murderers are less likely to murder again (just 1%) because they tend to be so old when released.

Burglars are more likely to burgle again because they are usually young when released.

All of them are willing to hurt others for their benefit.

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And all numbers are limited to those reoffenders actually caught, assuming the police catch all of them. Unlikely, but they were dumb enough to get caught the first time (times before a

And all numbers are limited to those reoffenders actually caught, assuming the police catch all of them. Unlikely, but they were dumb enough to get caught the first time (times before actually sent to prison) so maybe.

Our society is weird. We expect people to rehabilitate and stay out of trouble but yet no one is willing to hire them when they try.

Nicole said,

“Our society is weird. We expect people to rehabilitate and stay out of trouble but yet no one is willing to hire them when they try.”

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That’s just it:

People DO hire them — just not always or at first for the job they really want.

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(Never forget — you are allowed to hire them.

It is unreasonable to expect others to do what you won’t do yourself.)