Left side are all suspect organizations which stand to make billions on the myth of climate change. The right side is the only bastion of reason that exists. Excuse me, I just been told I have to take my medication now.
If only there was evidence…no, not that evidence. Not that huge stack over there. Not that century’s worth of data. If only there were evidence of climate change that said it didn’t exist and we didn’t have to worry about it. THAT would be credible evidence. Too bad nothing like that exists.
Nobody’s brought up the mid-April blizzard pounding the hell out a bunch of midwestern and northern states? Obviously, weather is NOT climate, but I’m surprised that not even one troll has mentioned it yet. Over to you, Brass Orchid.
Well, not that that is news but he really screwed up on that little proclamation of his.
Measured evidence for CO2 as a greenhouse gas goes back to the 19th Century with John Tyndall.
A very simple calculation of the effect on global temperature from an increase in CO2 was made in 1895.Because it was so simple, and did not take into account many processes, it essentially serves as a upper bound.
In 1938, a more detailed model (but still rather simple) explored the effects of more CO2.
But… and this is a big one … the calculations did not take into account the increase of another greenhouse gas, methane. The presence of methane in the atmosphere is also increasing.
Oh, and all of these were obviously not due to the UN coming to take your wealth. Nor were they due to Michael Mann. (By the way, climate denier buttheads. keep persecuting Mann. He’ll end up another Galileo, because, you see, the “hockey stick” is real.)
But it is not just theory that says that CO2 causes warming. If there were no CO2 in the atmosphere, temperatures would fall sufficiently that water vapor (a much more important greenhouse gas) would fall out of the atmosphere, and freeze. A little bit of that accelerates the freezing, and soon you have iceball earth … again.
The proof of the efficacy of CO2 as a greenhouse gas is shown by the temperatures of Mars and Venus. Venus, of course, has way too much and is hot. Mars, if you replaced the CO2 with say Nitrogen and Oxygen, would be even colder than it is now, with a 96% CO2 atmosphere.
The fact is, there is even stronger measured evidence for the effects of CO2 on the climate.
Scientists have measured the influence of CO2 on both incoming solar energy and outgoing long-wave radiation. Less longwave radiation is escaping to space at the specific wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Increased longwave radiation is measured at the surface of the Earth at the same wavelengths.
The reason there is increased longwave radiation at the surface is because the surface is becoming warmer. (The amount entering the atmosphere from the sun is unchanged). The peak emission wavelengths for the earth are in the longwave (about 10 microns wavelength — visible light is 0.4 to 0.7 microns) With less ice coverage, the surface is going to absorb more of the visible wavelengths, leading to more radiation at longer wavelengths.
If less radiation is getting out at CO2 wavelengths, then it must result in atmospheric warming.
All of this is not mere correlation as BO wants you to believe.
In one of the Scandinavian countries a 15-year-old girl, Greta Thunberg, has started a mass movement of young people called the "Youth Strike for Climate Movement. All tru-out Europe kids aren’t going to school, thru the use of strikes. Their intent is to woke adults to the reality of climate change and to grow up and do something about it like adults. These children are the ones whose lives are going to be destroyed by our inaction. This is why they are “revolting”. Note that the young lady is from one of the far northern countries. The northern areas are feeling the effect first, so she is seeing the effects of Global Warming first hand. To understand place a bowl of water and an ice cube on a tray, and then blow a hairdryer at them. which of the two liquids will feel the effects of the heat first? The ice cube or the water?
Ms. Tunberg has been nominated for the Noble Peace Prize. I think she’s on to something.
One final point, the source of the increased CO2 is shown to be due to release of carbon from fossil sources by the ratios of carbon isotopes, i.e., by human burning of fossil fuels. This is, of course, one of those bits of data that require understanding both the natural ratios of carbon isotopes and the specific isotope kinetic effect on those ratios by the process of photosynthesis. For those interested, it is fairly well explained here:
I have to say something here. First off, I would call myself a Liberal Democrat. Second, this is not exactly true. Not all republicans think this way. There are many younger generations who believe in Climate change. There are organizations for trying to talk to the older generation about coming around. I imagine there are probably older generations too, but they get shut down or ignored. I can agree that Trump and the ones who go along with Trump are this way. Just not comfortable saying that a whole group of people is the same way because they actions of the few loud ones.
This is a good toon. But, of course, a majority is not the criterion for what’s right. Counting the persons or entities that “feel” or “acknowledge” that A or B is correct can produce impressive majorities, but that does not say anything about what is true, more likely or wrong. Thy criterion be the scientific methodology, and that includes that all results must be treated with caution, that they also might contain probabilities and that they must withstand further analysis. Only the gut feeling provides accurate and undeniable results.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 5 years ago
But do they have a gut feeling?
Darsan54 Premium Member over 5 years ago
Just aggressively ignorant.
Mats Dahlgren Premium Member over 5 years ago
A picture like that DO say more than a thousand words….
Monster Hesh over 5 years ago
Let’s wait calmly for our resident MAGApologist to show up and spew out a foamy cloud of blather about water droplets.
Masterskrain over 5 years ago
ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE!!!
NeedaChuckle Premium Member over 5 years ago
Left side are all suspect organizations which stand to make billions on the myth of climate change. The right side is the only bastion of reason that exists. Excuse me, I just been told I have to take my medication now.
dvandom over 5 years ago
If only there was evidence…no, not that evidence. Not that huge stack over there. Not that century’s worth of data. If only there were evidence of climate change that said it didn’t exist and we didn’t have to worry about it. THAT would be credible evidence. Too bad nothing like that exists.
PoodleGroomer over 5 years ago
We need to have Johnson Control install a thermostat and CO2 level controller on the earth.
Linguist over 5 years ago
All Flat Earthers, Obama Birth Deniers, and Vaccine Conspiracy Theorists are also on the Right!
Godfreydaniel over 5 years ago
Nobody’s brought up the mid-April blizzard pounding the hell out a bunch of midwestern and northern states? Obviously, weather is NOT climate, but I’m surprised that not even one troll has mentioned it yet. Over to you, Brass Orchid.
braindead Premium Member over 5 years ago
The climate change denial uses the exact same techniques used by Tobacco companies to prove there was no link between tobacco and cancer.
And many, if not most, are the exact same people.
.
Brought to you by patriotic multinational corporations.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 5 years ago
Brass Orchid does something to the pooch!
Well, not that that is news but he really screwed up on that little proclamation of his.
Measured evidence for CO2 as a greenhouse gas goes back to the 19th Century with John Tyndall.
A very simple calculation of the effect on global temperature from an increase in CO2 was made in 1895.Because it was so simple, and did not take into account many processes, it essentially serves as a upper bound.
In 1938, a more detailed model (but still rather simple) explored the effects of more CO2.
But… and this is a big one … the calculations did not take into account the increase of another greenhouse gas, methane. The presence of methane in the atmosphere is also increasing.
Oh, and all of these were obviously not due to the UN coming to take your wealth. Nor were they due to Michael Mann. (By the way, climate denier buttheads. keep persecuting Mann. He’ll end up another Galileo, because, you see, the “hockey stick” is real.)
But it is not just theory that says that CO2 causes warming. If there were no CO2 in the atmosphere, temperatures would fall sufficiently that water vapor (a much more important greenhouse gas) would fall out of the atmosphere, and freeze. A little bit of that accelerates the freezing, and soon you have iceball earth … again.
The proof of the efficacy of CO2 as a greenhouse gas is shown by the temperatures of Mars and Venus. Venus, of course, has way too much and is hot. Mars, if you replaced the CO2 with say Nitrogen and Oxygen, would be even colder than it is now, with a 96% CO2 atmosphere.
continued…
DaleHopson over 5 years ago
Ken, this is just terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 5 years ago
The fact is, there is even stronger measured evidence for the effects of CO2 on the climate.
Scientists have measured the influence of CO2 on both incoming solar energy and outgoing long-wave radiation. Less longwave radiation is escaping to space at the specific wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Increased longwave radiation is measured at the surface of the Earth at the same wavelengths.
The reason there is increased longwave radiation at the surface is because the surface is becoming warmer. (The amount entering the atmosphere from the sun is unchanged). The peak emission wavelengths for the earth are in the longwave (about 10 microns wavelength — visible light is 0.4 to 0.7 microns) With less ice coverage, the surface is going to absorb more of the visible wavelengths, leading to more radiation at longer wavelengths.
If less radiation is getting out at CO2 wavelengths, then it must result in atmospheric warming.
All of this is not mere correlation as BO wants you to believe.
Louie99theKing over 5 years ago
So, everybody is wrong except Donald Trump and you. Yeah, that’s likely.
andrew5 over 5 years ago
Brass Orchid revels in her own ignorance.
banjoAhhh! over 5 years ago
In one of the Scandinavian countries a 15-year-old girl, Greta Thunberg, has started a mass movement of young people called the "Youth Strike for Climate Movement. All tru-out Europe kids aren’t going to school, thru the use of strikes. Their intent is to woke adults to the reality of climate change and to grow up and do something about it like adults. These children are the ones whose lives are going to be destroyed by our inaction. This is why they are “revolting”. Note that the young lady is from one of the far northern countries. The northern areas are feeling the effect first, so she is seeing the effects of Global Warming first hand. To understand place a bowl of water and an ice cube on a tray, and then blow a hairdryer at them. which of the two liquids will feel the effects of the heat first? The ice cube or the water?
Ms. Tunberg has been nominated for the Noble Peace Prize. I think she’s on to something.
KennethJohnson over 5 years ago
For some, we should bring Freon back. Who needs the ozone layer, when there is money to be made.
mfrasca over 5 years ago
E pur si muove
martens over 5 years ago
One final point, the source of the increased CO2 is shown to be due to release of carbon from fossil sources by the ratios of carbon isotopes, i.e., by human burning of fossil fuels. This is, of course, one of those bits of data that require understanding both the natural ratios of carbon isotopes and the specific isotope kinetic effect on those ratios by the process of photosynthesis. For those interested, it is fairly well explained here:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/From-eMail-Bag-Carbon-Isotopes-Part-1.html
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 5 years ago
Looks like BO deleted his comment
Wlly Blly over 5 years ago
Apparently B.O. has gone the way of some other trolls on here.
quanyindove over 5 years ago
I have to say something here. First off, I would call myself a Liberal Democrat. Second, this is not exactly true. Not all republicans think this way. There are many younger generations who believe in Climate change. There are organizations for trying to talk to the older generation about coming around. I imagine there are probably older generations too, but they get shut down or ignored. I can agree that Trump and the ones who go along with Trump are this way. Just not comfortable saying that a whole group of people is the same way because they actions of the few loud ones.
Namaste
Spock over 5 years ago
This is a good toon. But, of course, a majority is not the criterion for what’s right. Counting the persons or entities that “feel” or “acknowledge” that A or B is correct can produce impressive majorities, but that does not say anything about what is true, more likely or wrong. Thy criterion be the scientific methodology, and that includes that all results must be treated with caution, that they also might contain probabilities and that they must withstand further analysis. Only the gut feeling provides accurate and undeniable results.