Fortunately for most of us, it’s a thought experiment. My brother in law, though, was an engineer for most of his career, and he’s been in charge more than once when someone committed suicide using HIS train. Do NOT ask him this question!
I was sitting as a judge pro tem in traffic court once and the defendant had been ticketed for walking across a train crossing when the gate was down. He argued that he should be able to take the risk. I pointed out that it wasn’t just his life at stake. It was the mental health of the engineer if he hit him, and passengers could fall and get hurt if the engineer slammed on the brakes. I fined him the maximum amount.
Since the guy standing on the other track isn’t tied up anywhere, he’s free to runs away. And if he’s such a marooon that he doesn’t run away when he see the train coming towards him, then it’s his own stupidity that kills him.
I do nothing. I did not tie the people to the track nor did I tell some idiot to stand on the other set of tracks. If I do anything, suddenly I’m culpable for 5 deaths or 1 which means I’m likely getting sued. Plausible deniability means I can always claim that I do not know how to operate a train switch. At best, I call 911. At worst I hope I have a bag of popcorn cause one way or another, it’s gonna be a show.
The premise here is a variation on the theme of do you intervene to save x number of lives even if it means causing the death of another.
Failing to do anything, you are not directly responsible for anyone’s death. Allowing an event to occur, even if you have the power to stop it, is not the same as deliberately acting in a way that causes someone else’s death. But we’re meant to think that saving more lives is worth the sacrifice of one, an argument I don’t agree with.
It is the “God’s Will” dilemma that beleaguers our small minded courts. You can do nothing and allow the death of 10000, but if you act and one person is inconvenienced you will face consequences.
The fact of the matter is that if you do nothing, the five people will die, but it is not your fault. It was going to happen if you never went to the front of the train to see what was going on. If you purposely switch the train to the other track you are deciding to kill the one person so you are a murderer and would be arrested, go to trial and probably sent to prison, even if it was just for manslaughter.
The real dilemma of the situation is do you let “nature take its course” or do you intervene and murder one person to save five others.
Wow, this is not only the same art as 1/22/2020, it’s almost the same gag. Rat’s dialogue differs in panels 3 and 4, but all other dialogue is the same. (How do I remember that? Because I’m a philosophy professor and I have shown the 1/22/2020 strip in classes, so I have it in my file of class-related comics.)
Now imagine that there’s a train barreling down towards five people, and you and a fat guy are on a bridge over he tracks. If you push the fat guy off, his weight will be enough to stop the train, but he’ll die. What do you do?
BE THIS GUY over 3 years ago
Maybe you can post the choice you will make on Tik-Tok.
Avatar_Hoodie over 3 years ago
wait what is candy crush again?
LeeCox over 3 years ago
Flip the switch and yell at the idiot who’s standing on the other track to get the hell off it NOW!
BasilBruce over 3 years ago
What Rat should do is throw himself in front of the train; that way, no matter what else happens, he’ll have performed a public service.
salakfarm Premium Member over 3 years ago
Cyanide & Happiness have a game called “Trial by Trolley” that does just this.
Arbitrary over 3 years ago
The current trolley problem seems to be:
Divert it to an empty track, or let it keep killing people because it already killed many people (aka student loans).
Concretionist over 3 years ago
Fortunately for most of us, it’s a thought experiment. My brother in law, though, was an engineer for most of his career, and he’s been in charge more than once when someone committed suicide using HIS train. Do NOT ask him this question!
Ratkin Premium Member over 3 years ago
I was sitting as a judge pro tem in traffic court once and the defendant had been ticketed for walking across a train crossing when the gate was down. He argued that he should be able to take the risk. I pointed out that it wasn’t just his life at stake. It was the mental health of the engineer if he hit him, and passengers could fall and get hurt if the engineer slammed on the brakes. I fined him the maximum amount.
Robin Harwood over 3 years ago
Thank you, Sharp, Foot, and Thomson.
ronaldspence over 3 years ago
Challenging!
Caldonia over 3 years ago
I’ve never understood this. Why would you rather kill five people instead of just one? I must be missing something…
jeff_e over 3 years ago
Is it the guy who tied the five people to the first track?
Orcatime over 3 years ago
Priorities.
AndreasMartin over 3 years ago
‘Depends on how I get the highest score.’
Procat Premium Member over 3 years ago
Depends on their political affiliation.
dwagon55 over 3 years ago
f8 @ 125th
Breadboard over 3 years ago
Deadpool 2 moment ;-)
Gent over 3 years ago
Since the guy standing on the other track isn’t tied up anywhere, he’s free to runs away. And if he’s such a marooon that he doesn’t run away when he see the train coming towards him, then it’s his own stupidity that kills him.
rdav1248961 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Goat’s mistake is in thinking Rat has any ethics.
Ellis97 over 3 years ago
Who plays Candy Crush anymore?
zerotvus over 3 years ago
is the guy a lawyer?
some idiot from R'lyeh Premium Member over 3 years ago
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YippiKiAyMofo over 3 years ago
I do nothing. I did not tie the people to the track nor did I tell some idiot to stand on the other set of tracks. If I do anything, suddenly I’m culpable for 5 deaths or 1 which means I’m likely getting sued. Plausible deniability means I can always claim that I do not know how to operate a train switch. At best, I call 911. At worst I hope I have a bag of popcorn cause one way or another, it’s gonna be a show.
A_Dilophosaurus over 3 years ago
As someone else pointed out when this strip first ran, Goat didn’t ask you to answer the question, he just said to listen.
Otis Rufus Driftwood over 3 years ago
Rat is the wrong person to ask anything of, even about the weather.
Croc Holliday over 3 years ago
The premise here is a variation on the theme of do you intervene to save x number of lives even if it means causing the death of another.
Failing to do anything, you are not directly responsible for anyone’s death. Allowing an event to occur, even if you have the power to stop it, is not the same as deliberately acting in a way that causes someone else’s death. But we’re meant to think that saving more lives is worth the sacrifice of one, an argument I don’t agree with.
LightWarriorK over 3 years ago
Ahh, the old Trolley Problem. I loved when they tackled this on “The Good Place.”
It’s also why we’re not getting fully autonomous vehicles anytime soon.
aerotica69 over 3 years ago
Too much responsibility for me, I’ll let someone else make the decision while I go to my happy place.
diskus Premium Member over 3 years ago
Throw the switch and tell the other guy to move.
Goat from PBS over 3 years ago
Maybe? Yeah, he’s definitely the wrong guy to ask.
JudyAz over 3 years ago
Don’t flip the switch. Dudley Do-Rght will come along in time to save the five people (well, it works with Nell).
IshkaBibel1 over 3 years ago
It is the “God’s Will” dilemma that beleaguers our small minded courts. You can do nothing and allow the death of 10000, but if you act and one person is inconvenienced you will face consequences.
Zebrastripes over 3 years ago
RAT can’t be bothered with such matters…he’s truly a rat
twagner003 over 3 years ago
Why is the guy standing on the other track? Why isn’t he helping untie the five on the one track? Very suspicious…
zeexenon over 3 years ago
Why, I ask why are you trying to ruin MY life? How many people would die if I stopped the train on a dime?
Major Matt Mason Premium Member over 3 years ago
I’d say WWGD? What would Gomez do? Blow the track, of course!
WCraft Premium Member over 3 years ago
Wait! “And then along came Jones; Tall, thin Jones, Slow-walkin’ Jones, Slow-talkin’ Jones, Along came lonely, lanky Jones”
DondiDoo over 3 years ago
Do we know the political affiliation of these various individuals?
CJ Flintstone over 3 years ago
I’d reprogram the test. Worked for Capt. Kirk.
Thehag over 3 years ago
To those who posted advocating no action. How do you live with yourself if you do nothing?
SandbaggerOne over 3 years ago
The fact of the matter is that if you do nothing, the five people will die, but it is not your fault. It was going to happen if you never went to the front of the train to see what was going on. If you purposely switch the train to the other track you are deciding to kill the one person so you are a murderer and would be arrested, go to trial and probably sent to prison, even if it was just for manslaughter.
The real dilemma of the situation is do you let “nature take its course” or do you intervene and murder one person to save five others.
Thinkingblade over 3 years ago
Ah yes the Kobayashi Maru – or in this example, why you should have a really sharp pocket knife to free the first 5.
Zippy007 over 3 years ago
Truth is that every time you see someone playing with their phone while they are driving, you know how they answered this question.
toasted [the champion of huzzah] over 3 years ago
I mean, its candy crush….
willie_mctell over 3 years ago
So who are the people?
ChrisTrey over 3 years ago
Which person has me in their will? That could be a major deciding factor.
wolfboy oz boy over 3 years ago
do en meany mo
MaybeImAmazed over 3 years ago
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few … or the one.
Sisyphos over 3 years ago
Maybe Rat isn’t so far off the track (so to speak).
When faced with an insoluble Moral Dilemma, bugger it all and move on….
BWR over 3 years ago
I guess asking who the 5 people are and who the one person is would be a bad choice?
Super Mega Based Mouse over 3 years ago
Modified rerun.
bunny-hugger Premium Member over 3 years ago
Wow, this is not only the same art as 1/22/2020, it’s almost the same gag. Rat’s dialogue differs in panels 3 and 4, but all other dialogue is the same. (How do I remember that? Because I’m a philosophy professor and I have shown the 1/22/2020 strip in classes, so I have it in my file of class-related comics.)
PBS1! over 3 years ago
Now imagine that there’s a train barreling down towards five people, and you and a fat guy are on a bridge over he tracks. If you push the fat guy off, his weight will be enough to stop the train, but he’ll die. What do you do?
Darth Revan II about 3 years ago
Wait for the train to get close, then detonate a bomb I hid on it.
the muppets. over 1 year ago
Go on neal.fun there is a lot of variations of this.