Stantis, WHAT facts, exactly, should we be waiting for?
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That Trump stole top secret material?
That he kept in an unsecure area?
That he KNEW it was illegal the entire time?
And that he stole it anyway?
That he LIED about having it, LIED about returning it, LIED that NARA should’ve asked “nicely”?
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Maybe we should be waiting for more violence to be committed against the FBI and the IRS — and THEN wait for all the facts to come in about that violence?
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The sooner Trump is prosecuted the better. Delays will just enable The Disciples to plan, coordinate, and execute more violence.
Just to play devil’s advocate, but has anyone considered that Trump may not have ordered those records taken, been aware of their presence or of their content, and his outrage is over a perceived attack which from his perspective he doesn’t deserve?
Given how document adverse and work adverse he appeared to be while in office there is a possibility that one of his people, or family members, ordered the documents to be taken from the White House without Trumps knowledge by giving the order to pack them up in Trump’s name. One of his inner circle might have had plans to use the secrets without former President Trump’s knowledge.
Whether that theory is true or not it won’t surprise me if Trump uses that type of argument if he is charged and throws someone under the bus to protect himself. I know that is what i would do in that situation, which I freely admit is a serious moral failure on my part.
If I had top secret documents in my house, I would be arrested IMMEDIATELY.
The known fact are:
He took classified documents when he left the White House. They weren’t his.
They asked for them back. He gave some of them back, but LIED and said he gave them all back.
They subpoenaed the documents. He ignored the subpoena.
So they got a warrant to go and retrieve them. What do you want them to do? Just say, “OK, Donnie, I guess they’re yours now”?
The real question is: WHY did he want them? What did he intend to do with them? Are we supposed to believe he just thought it would make a neat collectible?
And yes, it hasn’t escaped my attention the Jared Kushner was paid $2,000,000,000 by the Saudi Government, and we don’t know what it was in exchange for.
And Trump spent four years praising anti-American foreign dictators, and insulting our Western allies.
Stanti, here is a great article on a Libertarian venture. Some would call the piece, …………………….cartoonish: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/
pschearer Premium Member about 2 years ago
When have T-Rump’s mob ever cared about facts?
braindead Premium Member about 2 years ago
The Disciples are no longer trying to explain that there is some reason Trump should be allowed to steal highly classified information.
Their argument now, is: Try prosecuting The Messiah and we will kill you.
braindead Premium Member about 2 years ago
Stantis, WHAT facts, exactly, should we be waiting for?
.
That Trump stole top secret material?
That he kept in an unsecure area?
That he KNEW it was illegal the entire time?
And that he stole it anyway?
That he LIED about having it, LIED about returning it, LIED that NARA should’ve asked “nicely”?
.
Maybe we should be waiting for more violence to be committed against the FBI and the IRS — and THEN wait for all the facts to come in about that violence?
.
The sooner Trump is prosecuted the better. Delays will just enable The Disciples to plan, coordinate, and execute more violence.
Sanspareil about 2 years ago
It wasn’t a raid, it was the FBI following a judges subpoena on a criminal action!
Darsan54 Premium Member about 2 years ago
I “like” that Scott has the liberal jumping the gun on conclusions, while the “conservative” proposes the reasonable response.
Sweetchiligeezus, what world do you live on?
theincrediblebulk about 2 years ago
Just to play devil’s advocate, but has anyone considered that Trump may not have ordered those records taken, been aware of their presence or of their content, and his outrage is over a perceived attack which from his perspective he doesn’t deserve?
Given how document adverse and work adverse he appeared to be while in office there is a possibility that one of his people, or family members, ordered the documents to be taken from the White House without Trumps knowledge by giving the order to pack them up in Trump’s name. One of his inner circle might have had plans to use the secrets without former President Trump’s knowledge.
Whether that theory is true or not it won’t surprise me if Trump uses that type of argument if he is charged and throws someone under the bus to protect himself. I know that is what i would do in that situation, which I freely admit is a serious moral failure on my part.
William Robbins Premium Member about 2 years ago
The fact is that Republicans will riot if Trump is held accountable for his actions.
Ignatz Premium Member about 2 years ago
If I had top secret documents in my house, I would be arrested IMMEDIATELY.
The known fact are:
He took classified documents when he left the White House. They weren’t his.
They asked for them back. He gave some of them back, but LIED and said he gave them all back.
They subpoenaed the documents. He ignored the subpoena.
So they got a warrant to go and retrieve them. What do you want them to do? Just say, “OK, Donnie, I guess they’re yours now”?
The real question is: WHY did he want them? What did he intend to do with them? Are we supposed to believe he just thought it would make a neat collectible?
And yes, it hasn’t escaped my attention the Jared Kushner was paid $2,000,000,000 by the Saudi Government, and we don’t know what it was in exchange for.
And Trump spent four years praising anti-American foreign dictators, and insulting our Western allies.
Ignatz Premium Member about 2 years ago
The original claim was that the FBI planted them. Now it’s, “If you arrest me for being a traitor, I try to start a Civil War, because I’m a traitor!”
rossevrymn about 2 years ago
Stanti, here is a great article on a Libertarian venture. Some would call the piece, …………………….cartoonish: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/
bobbyferrel about 2 years ago
You can wait for the facts. And you should. But you’ll never know when or if you have them.