jukeofurl, sure we do! We just don’t care. It’s a convenient time, everyone needs a mid-winter celebration (at least up north where it’s dreary in winter), and it’s fun. If we add remembering the birth of Jesus into the mix, not a problem on my part.
@jukeofurl: Despite my Hebrew pen name, I’m a Christian of Anglo-Saxon-Celtic descent, and I know where December 25 comes from. That’s one reason why I don’t observe Jesus Christ’s birth then.
For the record, Jesus Christ was born in the autumn (not in the spring) of 4 BC, most likely about the Feast of Trumpets (which was also the weekly Sabbath that year). No other date fits all the relevant historical facts, of which there are a surprising number. There was no need for the original Jewish Christians and Gentile converts to adapt a Gentile celebration when the biblical celebration of Trumpets already was considered a “shadow of the things to come” by them. (For one thing, Trumpets was the beginning of the New Year for Kings among the Jews.)
And now I will stop, before Doctor Toon pours an urn of Nuclear Coffee over my head for discussing religion among our fellow Tribe members…:)
Semiramis’s son Tammuz was born around Dec 25. She was the Goddess-queen of the Babylonians. Although they were human, they set themselves up as Gods. This is part of the unholy worship that occured at the Tower obf Babel, which the one and only tru God eventually destroyed. There were correlations made between her son’s birth and the Dvine Birth of Jesus, AFTER Jesus had been resurrected. I could go on, but just read Genesis. it’s very enlightening!
Many of our holiday traditions come from Pagan practices, including Christmas trees, yule logs, Santa Claus, and Easter eggs. This was a concious effort by the early Catholic church to incorporate these practices into Christianity, in order to “win souls”. It didn’t matter to the Catholics that it wasn’t scripturally correct, or that they were compromising and altering God’s Holy Word. That is why you won’t find any reference to them in the Holy Bible, and why I, as a Baptist, refuse to practice them.
The whole point of this story arc is the over commercialism of the holidays. I don’t participate either, except to promote Buy Nothing Day and Buy Nothing Christmas.
One of my favorite strips along this line was an old Peanuts strip, in which Charlie Brown is complaining to Lucy that the store was out of Halloween costumes. When Lucy asked if the store was going to get any more in, Charlie brown replies “Are you kidding? They were busy putting up Christmas decorations!”
@jokeofurl, Many Christian thinkers regard pagan beliefs as “pre-Christian”, and the major Holy days match pretty well the pagan prefigurings. When Jesus says, “except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it is alone, but if it die, it brings forth much fruit”, he is quoting a common pagan belief concerning winter solstice and spring equinox (e.g. the Corn King).
On another note,a humbug is what they used to call June bugs. Unlike some other buzzing insects, they are not harmful, so one shouldn’t worry about them. Therefor the statement became “It’s nothing but a humbug!” That got stretched to mean anything inconsequential or meaningless.
margueritem almost 15 years ago
Bah, humbug indeed!
Rakkav almost 15 years ago
As if the origins of all those holidays weren’t syncretic enough already.
zero almost 15 years ago
@Johann Rakkav don’t tell the Christians. They still haven’t figured out where the Dec. 25 came from…
robinafox almost 15 years ago
Hey, lambs are born in winter too, even with deep deep snow.
Varnes almost 15 years ago
Don’t forget New Thanksweenmas Eve….Maybe this holiday should start on Labor Day Weekend? Fourth of July? OK, Memorial Day it is!
lewisbower almost 15 years ago
Festivus!
Nebulous Premium Member almost 15 years ago
@RobinaFox. But even sheep aren’t stupid enough to stay out in the pastures all night in the middle of winter.
cdward almost 15 years ago
jukeofurl, sure we do! We just don’t care. It’s a convenient time, everyone needs a mid-winter celebration (at least up north where it’s dreary in winter), and it’s fun. If we add remembering the birth of Jesus into the mix, not a problem on my part.
Charles Brobst Premium Member almost 15 years ago
RobinaFox is most likely correct. But let’s not let that stop us from having fun!
BillTidler almost 15 years ago
My holidaze continues…
Rakkav almost 15 years ago
@jukeofurl: Despite my Hebrew pen name, I’m a Christian of Anglo-Saxon-Celtic descent, and I know where December 25 comes from. That’s one reason why I don’t observe Jesus Christ’s birth then.
For the record, Jesus Christ was born in the autumn (not in the spring) of 4 BC, most likely about the Feast of Trumpets (which was also the weekly Sabbath that year). No other date fits all the relevant historical facts, of which there are a surprising number. There was no need for the original Jewish Christians and Gentile converts to adapt a Gentile celebration when the biblical celebration of Trumpets already was considered a “shadow of the things to come” by them. (For one thing, Trumpets was the beginning of the New Year for Kings among the Jews.)
And now I will stop, before Doctor Toon pours an urn of Nuclear Coffee over my head for discussing religion among our fellow Tribe members…:)
Constantinepaleologos almost 15 years ago
I’ve heard Dec. 25 was the date of a Babylonian god’s birth. Can anyone verify that?
briankblough almost 15 years ago
Semiramis’s son Tammuz was born around Dec 25. She was the Goddess-queen of the Babylonians. Although they were human, they set themselves up as Gods. This is part of the unholy worship that occured at the Tower obf Babel, which the one and only tru God eventually destroyed. There were correlations made between her son’s birth and the Dvine Birth of Jesus, AFTER Jesus had been resurrected. I could go on, but just read Genesis. it’s very enlightening!
briankblough almost 15 years ago
Many of our holiday traditions come from Pagan practices, including Christmas trees, yule logs, Santa Claus, and Easter eggs. This was a concious effort by the early Catholic church to incorporate these practices into Christianity, in order to “win souls”. It didn’t matter to the Catholics that it wasn’t scripturally correct, or that they were compromising and altering God’s Holy Word. That is why you won’t find any reference to them in the Holy Bible, and why I, as a Baptist, refuse to practice them.
rdsheets almost 15 years ago
i actually like the idea but shouldn’t it be called Weenthanksmas? just so the name matches up with the chronological sequence of the holidaze?
Ermine Notyours almost 15 years ago
Allhowlsgivingchrist
scrab almost 15 years ago
I’m just wondering how the Easter Bunny fits into all this
zerotsm almost 15 years ago
The whole point of this story arc is the over commercialism of the holidays. I don’t participate either, except to promote Buy Nothing Day and Buy Nothing Christmas.
One of my favorite strips along this line was an old Peanuts strip, in which Charlie Brown is complaining to Lucy that the store was out of Halloween costumes. When Lucy asked if the store was going to get any more in, Charlie brown replies “Are you kidding? They were busy putting up Christmas decorations!”
Digital Frog almost 15 years ago
Somebody pinch Pam quick - she isn’t wearing green!
stuart almost 15 years ago
@jokeofurl, Many Christian thinkers regard pagan beliefs as “pre-Christian”, and the major Holy days match pretty well the pagan prefigurings. When Jesus says, “except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it is alone, but if it die, it brings forth much fruit”, he is quoting a common pagan belief concerning winter solstice and spring equinox (e.g. the Corn King).
Varnes almost 15 years ago
On another note,a humbug is what they used to call June bugs. Unlike some other buzzing insects, they are not harmful, so one shouldn’t worry about them. Therefor the statement became “It’s nothing but a humbug!” That got stretched to mean anything inconsequential or meaningless.
MartyMartian almost 15 years ago
how about hanaramakwansmas?
Sherlock Watson almost 15 years ago
Actually, Cliff, the proper phrase is “Trick or Humbug, amen.”
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace over 5 years ago
There is always someone who won’t go with the flow.