No no no: When the government does it, it’s called "Social Security; when WE do it, it’s called a “Ponzi Scheme.” At least Bernie Madoff’s victims had the choice to say no.
Denseness reigns in my brains! Simply do not understand today’s comic…what did he do that got him in prison, that the government does and calls a doctrine? The Bush doctrine included pre-emptive strikes…could get you arrested. The Obama doctrine is about foreign policy of negotiation…not likely to put one in jail. Is there another doctrine?
Just for the record, you seem to take these funny pages a little too seriously. Having said that, always read your comments with interest and actually agree with you. Well done!
Government, The Leader in Organized Crime! They write the rules, they make the laws, they insert their secret loop-holes, they control the money and (law) enforcers. Tidy neat little package.
I just want to know where in the constitution it says that the Federal guvmint, has the authority to create and manage a pension fund. Is that the same amendment that allows them to monitor my internet activity(SOPA), infringes my 2nd amendment(I can’t buy a real assault rifle) And Yes to you dope smokin hippies the 2nd says ARMS, not rifles pistols and shotguns, and it ain’t about hunting. (it is about protecting ourselves from them) and I want the same kind of fire power they bring to the fight. And just FYI, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY AN “ASSAULT RIFLE” UNLESS IT CAN GO FULL AUTO. it is just that the media is full of stupid illiterate college grads and they don’t understand the English language.Violate my 5th, (seizing property without due process) and my 8th, (cruel punishment) I just got done doing my taxes last week, and I am still having twitches. I am self employed, so I don’t have a big corperation that can afford to hire people to do stuff for me because I am too stupid to do it for myself, no I HAVE to do it myself and it is a little complex than just submitting the W-2 you have.
While you were paying into the system, you shared the load with many others. Those who are paying into the system today are making do with less help. This line of reasoning also doesn’t answer the argument of SS actually being a huge ponzi scheme. Just like an “illegal” ponzi scheme, it will collapse simply because the money needed to keep it going will not be there forever. BTW, I also paid into the system for years. If I could have invested some of that money myself, the return on investment would have been much more. How do you know a program has a problem? You are required to support it with no promise it will even be there when you need it. No business would survive it where run like the Government.
Well said. Greed has got us where we are today, and we are all guilty. The poor man that expects someone else to pay his way is just as greedy as the rich man.
I’d love to know who introduced the bill that allowed the government to dip into Social Security funds as a “loan”. It was done very quietly, so much that most of us never heard a word of it and has become Washington’s very own piggybank. Who do we thank for this “generosity”? Not the party.. the INDIVIDUAL who came up with the idea. It’s time for some personal responsibility in government, and here’s a good place to start, if he’s still alive.
The mechanic says many things right. Yes, some in Congress HAVE over the years been “government edition Madoffs”, and, they get re-elected, because folks like farm boy refuse to open their eyes, or get “edjicated”. A legitimate “government backed” (or run) retirement SUPPLEMENT can work very well. It is the same Congress, and administrations, over the years who allowed private insurers to steal and skate (can we say “Reaganomics”), especially in the last 30 years, who “stole” from all of us.
It can be fixed, and “privatization” is NOT the answer, nor are “plans” like those of Ryan, Coburn, Boehner, et al.
We no longer live in a democracy, but a plutocracy (look it up ditto heads) run by the corporate elite. The Patriot Act suspended the constitution 10 years ago. “Fascism is just another name for Corporatism” said Mussolini.
Yeah, it makes no sense to fault the original intent of Social Security. Stepping over people you used to know when they were working as they lay on the sidewalk with a hat for change can’t be good clean fun…well, there are evidently some in certain financial echelons that think so…besides they never knew you even THEN.
Gotta say it, these comments REALLY got off point from the strip today. Interesting, but irrelevant.
@ Number 6: Sorry 6 – even tho you deleted your post yesterday – there does not seem to be any apology in our future. Maybe Wiley is devising a future comic to slay us! Wouldn’t that be GRAND!?!
So, on the one hand is the worker who has paid into Social Security for a lifetime and wants to get some income out. On the other, we have the individual who doesn’t want to pay taxes but who does want government services such as police, fire fighters, roads, recordkeeping, etc, etc. Which one would you say is the freeloader?
And Trusted Mechanic and others, like everything else, inflation has an effect on Social Security which must be applied in order to keep it solvent. I too would rather see it applied to the maximum income from which deductions come. I too am NOT happy that it seems to be getting applied to the age of retirement instead.
Orion-13 over 12 years ago
SPOT ON.
Orion
Varnes over 12 years ago
Or agenda?..Ask Monroe….I believe his vet was Doc Trine…
Can't Sleep over 12 years ago
Obviously, he hasn’t got the right connections.
Guilty Bystander over 12 years ago
No no no: When the government does it, it’s called "Social Security; when WE do it, it’s called a “Ponzi Scheme.” At least Bernie Madoff’s victims had the choice to say no.
revisages over 12 years ago
if only you’d come all the way up to seeing it as dogma, buddy
V-Beast over 12 years ago
Manifest destiny is neither a man, nor a fest.
psychlady over 12 years ago
You got that right!!
zoidknight over 12 years ago
Sadly. now it only goes to pay the pension fund for Congress.
hariseldon59 over 12 years ago
“If the President does it, it’s not illegal.”- Richard Nixon
cdward over 12 years ago
Well put.
Vonne Anton over 12 years ago
Denseness reigns in my brains! Simply do not understand today’s comic…what did he do that got him in prison, that the government does and calls a doctrine? The Bush doctrine included pre-emptive strikes…could get you arrested. The Obama doctrine is about foreign policy of negotiation…not likely to put one in jail. Is there another doctrine?
Vonne Anton over 12 years ago
Just for the record, you seem to take these funny pages a little too seriously. Having said that, always read your comments with interest and actually agree with you. Well done!
Radical-Knight over 12 years ago
Government, The Leader in Organized Crime! They write the rules, they make the laws, they insert their secret loop-holes, they control the money and (law) enforcers. Tidy neat little package.
Dumb Farmboy over 12 years ago
I just want to know where in the constitution it says that the Federal guvmint, has the authority to create and manage a pension fund. Is that the same amendment that allows them to monitor my internet activity(SOPA), infringes my 2nd amendment(I can’t buy a real assault rifle) And Yes to you dope smokin hippies the 2nd says ARMS, not rifles pistols and shotguns, and it ain’t about hunting. (it is about protecting ourselves from them) and I want the same kind of fire power they bring to the fight. And just FYI, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY AN “ASSAULT RIFLE” UNLESS IT CAN GO FULL AUTO. it is just that the media is full of stupid illiterate college grads and they don’t understand the English language.Violate my 5th, (seizing property without due process) and my 8th, (cruel punishment) I just got done doing my taxes last week, and I am still having twitches. I am self employed, so I don’t have a big corperation that can afford to hire people to do stuff for me because I am too stupid to do it for myself, no I HAVE to do it myself and it is a little complex than just submitting the W-2 you have.
renewed1 over 12 years ago
While you were paying into the system, you shared the load with many others. Those who are paying into the system today are making do with less help. This line of reasoning also doesn’t answer the argument of SS actually being a huge ponzi scheme. Just like an “illegal” ponzi scheme, it will collapse simply because the money needed to keep it going will not be there forever. BTW, I also paid into the system for years. If I could have invested some of that money myself, the return on investment would have been much more. How do you know a program has a problem? You are required to support it with no promise it will even be there when you need it. No business would survive it where run like the Government.
renewed1 over 12 years ago
Well said. Greed has got us where we are today, and we are all guilty. The poor man that expects someone else to pay his way is just as greedy as the rich man.
starthrower50 over 12 years ago
I’d love to know who introduced the bill that allowed the government to dip into Social Security funds as a “loan”. It was done very quietly, so much that most of us never heard a word of it and has become Washington’s very own piggybank. Who do we thank for this “generosity”? Not the party.. the INDIVIDUAL who came up with the idea. It’s time for some personal responsibility in government, and here’s a good place to start, if he’s still alive.
Dtroutma over 12 years ago
The mechanic says many things right. Yes, some in Congress HAVE over the years been “government edition Madoffs”, and, they get re-elected, because folks like farm boy refuse to open their eyes, or get “edjicated”. A legitimate “government backed” (or run) retirement SUPPLEMENT can work very well. It is the same Congress, and administrations, over the years who allowed private insurers to steal and skate (can we say “Reaganomics”), especially in the last 30 years, who “stole” from all of us.
It can be fixed, and “privatization” is NOT the answer, nor are “plans” like those of Ryan, Coburn, Boehner, et al.
joe vignone over 12 years ago
We no longer live in a democracy, but a plutocracy (look it up ditto heads) run by the corporate elite. The Patriot Act suspended the constitution 10 years ago. “Fascism is just another name for Corporatism” said Mussolini.
tigre1 over 12 years ago
Yeah, it makes no sense to fault the original intent of Social Security. Stepping over people you used to know when they were working as they lay on the sidewalk with a hat for change can’t be good clean fun…well, there are evidently some in certain financial echelons that think so…besides they never knew you even THEN.
Vonne Anton over 12 years ago
Gotta say it, these comments REALLY got off point from the strip today. Interesting, but irrelevant.
@ Number 6: Sorry 6 – even tho you deleted your post yesterday – there does not seem to be any apology in our future. Maybe Wiley is devising a future comic to slay us! Wouldn’t that be GRAND!?!
underwriter over 12 years ago
So, on the one hand is the worker who has paid into Social Security for a lifetime and wants to get some income out. On the other, we have the individual who doesn’t want to pay taxes but who does want government services such as police, fire fighters, roads, recordkeeping, etc, etc. Which one would you say is the freeloader?
And Trusted Mechanic and others, like everything else, inflation has an effect on Social Security which must be applied in order to keep it solvent. I too would rather see it applied to the maximum income from which deductions come. I too am NOT happy that it seems to be getting applied to the age of retirement instead.
revisages over 12 years ago
yes, your private backed by public experiences sound like a pretty steady “trust forward”