dahawk said (yesterday)
”..if God preordained it all, then there is no such thing as man’s free will to choose…”,
God’s sovereignty in preordination does not nullify man’s free will and responsibility.
“Him (Jesus), being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain. Acts 2:23
Although God foreordained the crucifixion (and resurrection), the humans involved did it freely and willingly. There are other examples, but the above verse is a prime example of the validity of both.
God’s foreknowledge involves his love (as does every other attribute and character trait of his deity).
I suspect that you tend toward Arminianism while I tend toward Calvinism, perhaps what is called Amyraldianism.
Suffice it to say that I find no conflict between God’s sovereignty and man’s free will.
This was Bill Watterson’s 9th Sunday strip, published in January, 1986. Yesterday’s strip was from May, 1991. Calvin and Hobbes look different today because they are five years younger.
Well, at least Hobbes tried… if you can’t beat it, join it! LOL!
…and yes, you can plainly tell this is one of the older strips. Still good just the same. Love C & H!!!!
I use TV as an escape from whatever ills have beset me. I get so engrossed in a movie or what few “good” shows are still on that it takes my mind off my worries just like narcotic pain pills. Right now, it helps remove me from my 2 broken ribs and my collar bone that’s broken in 2 places!
Aside from the art, you can tell it’s an early strip by the writing. Hobbes is way too much of a scold here. Sounds more like Calvin’s father, and even has Dad’s expression in the first panel of the last row.
Being old and decrepit I’d miss having a t.v. if I didn’t, but not for the shows. I want to see the news, what little is actually presented, and some political discussion shows; I’ll watch old movies on occasion, if I can stay awake, but there are so many LOUD ads, and so much time is taken up previewing the upcoming news, that even those programs are wasting my time, any more. I turn the volume off on the ads, usually, since most programs run ads simultaneously, and if there is too little content, then the t.v. goes off. It used to be a opiate of sorts for me, but they’ve ruined that.
However, the little 3-year-old my wife watches becomes completely enraptured by the thing … it’s terrible, but then it’s easier to put him in front of it than it is to keep him otherwise occupied.
What a discouraging state of affairs, and this strip fits right in!
puddleglum,,,, God never preordained anything,,, He foretold it,,, theres a difference, He knows all.. if i said gas was going to $10.00 gallon and it does,,,does that make me a phrofet?
Happy Mothers Day.
Calvin there was stupid people before TV,After your tired of watching junk look at other channels there is some interesting and informative programs out there.
Yes! Go Bill!
This strip makes a strong statement - especially the drop panels which are EXCELLENT. He might have had some backlash from this one (media outlets, etc) and toned things down later on, but these are the kind of strips I’d love to see more of.
Such a shame to waste beautiful days in front of a TV set. I’m glad in my younger days we only watched it occasionally. Much more fun being outside playing with friends and developing social skills.
Yesterday you stated:
“I don’t ‘give God the blame’ for anything, but I think He is responsible for everything.”
There was a landslide in the Philippines recently, dozens of men, women and children died when their homes were buried under tons of mud. ‘God is responsible’
There was a tornado in Alabama that killed dozens, and destroyed everything they worked for all their lives. ‘God is responsible’.
Sorry, I will not blame God for man’s ignorance and abuse of the planet, but you feel God preordained it.
“When under trial, let no one say “‘I am being tried by God.’ For with evil things God can not be tried, NOR DOES HE HIMSELF TRY ANYONE.” James 1:13
God is good, “God is Love”.. He is not “responsible” for man making bad decisions and therefor suffering the consequences. Man is ‘responsible’ for those choices and their outcome.
rogue53,
No matter what happens, God is testing and the devil is tempting. God’s objective is to build man’s character for eternity. We are here to obtain everlasting life through Jesus Christ and his death on the cross paying the penalty for our sins. Then we should live the rest of our lives seeking to become like Jesus. The devil’s objective is to destroy man’s character, and make us like him.
Listen to some of these people that suffer tragedy, disease, illness, accidents and various other kinds of adversities. It can draw them to God and make them better, or it can separate them from God and make them bitter.
In heaven there will be no more tears, pain, suffering and death. There will be eternal bliss and joy in the presence of the Almighty God.
Obviously, you and I have some differences in our theology. I prefer mine. You prefer yours. So let it be!
Puddlegum, sounds like you agree with me in that “foreknowledge” is not “preordained”. God gave us free will to decide and in my opinion knows what we will decide, but he has not predestined the decision.
Teresa said: Sometimes the Discovery Channel is good, but even the SyFi channel has Wrestling on it now. Since when can Wrestling be described as Science Fiction?
Teresa: Have you ever seen any of this so-called “professional wrestling” stuff? If you have, then you’ve answered your own question!
When Marx wrote that, opium wasn’t considered one of society’s ills, it were just something that made pain bearable for those who could afford it. Marx wasn’t decrying religion, he was saying that religion is what makes pain bearable for most people.
You come to a fork in the road. Will you go right or left? God knows the outcome of each path and every twist and turn along the way. The choice is up to you. That’s free will. He will be there to support you, wherever those choices lead you. That’s his promise.
Apostle4God,
I believe the devil can do absolutely nothing unless God lets him. “The god of this world”, the devil is limited to what God will allow. That’s how God is responsible, but he’s not blameable because he works it all into his ultimate plan and purpose which is good. As Joseph told his brothers, “Now therefore, be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that you sold me here: for God did send me before you to preserve life. Genesis 45:5
“But as for you, you thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Genesis 50:20
If you can find the full quote (hard), it has to do with the poor unable to get adequate medical care and have faith to substitute for anesthetics because the ruling “elite” will not permit them any other to ease their suffering. Remember, it comes from the mid-19th century. While this is a part of a fairly justified attack on institutional religion, that part in context is rather favorable to real faith.
More Dad’s alter ego. Except Dad wouldn’t have given in. He would have kicked Calvin outside and not unlocked the door until Calvin had built some character.
Of course reality shows are predominating. Once they have a fellow addicted, the dealers can provide a poorer quality product–doesn’t matter, because he’s hooked.
I’m so glad I’m not addicted to anything to do with a TV screen, like comics on the inter-…nevermind.
Some thoughts here: first - TV IS BUBBLEGUM FOR THE MIND. Second, when Jesus had been resurrected, and was surrounded by people who knew Him, and knew who He was, the Scripture notes the following: “….and some doubted…” Free will? Determinism? You choose….
Look for the latest book by Vincent Bugliosi (the LA prosecutor who put away Charles Manson), The Divinity of Doubt - he makes some solid sense about all this dichotomy between free will and predestination, and ties up the evidence for the jury. Just heard a great interview he did on Uprising about, among other things, the difficulty getting it published.
margueritem over 13 years ago
Opiate indeed…
fran650 over 13 years ago
TV wins again.
Rakkav over 13 years ago
…and before Bill Watterson reached the height of his powers as an artist. :) (His lines, of course, were always top-notch.)
rentier over 13 years ago
Now, they look both TV……! I look, when I have some easy homework to do, iron or cleaning something, it is boring and than I look TV!
Lyons Group, Inc. over 13 years ago
Johanan Rakkav א
”…and before Bill Watterson reached the height of his powers as an artist.”
What is he doing these days since C & H?
GROG Premium Member over 13 years ago
Wait until Calvin see’s television 25 years from his time.
Good Morning, Marg, Mike & ♠Lonewolf♠
linsonl over 13 years ago
I broke the TV habit years ago.
rohitlovescalvin over 13 years ago
HI FOLKs I have being enjoying your comments along with C&H for years. I just decided to create an account on Gocomics and join the bandwagaon
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
dahawk said (yesterday) ”..if God preordained it all, then there is no such thing as man’s free will to choose…”, God’s sovereignty in preordination does not nullify man’s free will and responsibility. “Him (Jesus), being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain. Acts 2:23 Although God foreordained the crucifixion (and resurrection), the humans involved did it freely and willingly. There are other examples, but the above verse is a prime example of the validity of both. God’s foreknowledge involves his love (as does every other attribute and character trait of his deity). I suspect that you tend toward Arminianism while I tend toward Calvinism, perhaps what is called Amyraldianism. Suffice it to say that I find no conflict between God’s sovereignty and man’s free will.
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
This was Bill Watterson’s 9th Sunday strip, published in January, 1986. Yesterday’s strip was from May, 1991. Calvin and Hobbes look different today because they are five years younger.
lewisbower over 13 years ago
My better half watches religiously and I suspect she’s opiated. ” Oh look, why don’t we buy———”
Fogger_man over 13 years ago
Well, at least Hobbes tried… if you can’t beat it, join it! LOL!
…and yes, you can plainly tell this is one of the older strips. Still good just the same. Love C & H!!!!
I use TV as an escape from whatever ills have beset me. I get so engrossed in a movie or what few “good” shows are still on that it takes my mind off my worries just like narcotic pain pills. Right now, it helps remove me from my 2 broken ribs and my collar bone that’s broken in 2 places!
MontanaLady over 13 years ago
Agree with Hobbes……………..why watch it at all??
We spend our time checking out the weather, then, at night we watch a movie…………..oh yes, I watch one or two cooking shows!
dahawk over 13 years ago
OUCH!
Gigantor over 13 years ago
Aside from the art, you can tell it’s an early strip by the writing. Hobbes is way too much of a scold here. Sounds more like Calvin’s father, and even has Dad’s expression in the first panel of the last row.
josh_bisbee over 13 years ago
I guess we’ll be getting the sabattical Hobbes mentioned yesterday.
kab2rb over 13 years ago
Since on one not even the strip mention this.
HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY
Shows show on TV are okay others not so. For me there is one I love watching because I don’t do what is being done.
cleokaya over 13 years ago
Not one TV in this household and it is not missed.
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Hi Josh
If they continue with the January, 1986 strips for the nine months of Watterson’s sabbatical, then I guess we will have some snow comics again soon.
jonathan.james over 13 years ago
Being old and decrepit I’d miss having a t.v. if I didn’t, but not for the shows. I want to see the news, what little is actually presented, and some political discussion shows; I’ll watch old movies on occasion, if I can stay awake, but there are so many LOUD ads, and so much time is taken up previewing the upcoming news, that even those programs are wasting my time, any more. I turn the volume off on the ads, usually, since most programs run ads simultaneously, and if there is too little content, then the t.v. goes off. It used to be a opiate of sorts for me, but they’ve ruined that.
However, the little 3-year-old my wife watches becomes completely enraptured by the thing … it’s terrible, but then it’s easier to put him in front of it than it is to keep him otherwise occupied.
What a discouraging state of affairs, and this strip fits right in!
fran650 over 13 years ago
Some links to the life of Bill Watterson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Watterson
http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/calvinandhobbes/interview_text.html
http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/calvinandhobbes/interview_text.html
pointix over 13 years ago
This one is one of my favorites just for the first two frames.
Had it been written today, I’m sure he would have used Facebook instead ;)
Dry and Dusty Premium Member over 13 years ago
Happy Mother’s Day my fellow Mom’s!
OGWhatahunk over 13 years ago
puddleglum,,,, God never preordained anything,,, He foretold it,,, theres a difference, He knows all.. if i said gas was going to $10.00 gallon and it does,,,does that make me a phrofet?
George Arnold over 13 years ago
How true!
ratlum over 13 years ago
Happy Mothers Day. Calvin there was stupid people before TV,After your tired of watching junk look at other channels there is some interesting and informative programs out there.
wbtthefrog over 13 years ago
Yes! Go Bill! This strip makes a strong statement - especially the drop panels which are EXCELLENT. He might have had some backlash from this one (media outlets, etc) and toned things down later on, but these are the kind of strips I’d love to see more of.
ChukLitl Premium Member over 13 years ago
We might be better off with legalized opiates & contraband tv.
rentier over 13 years ago
Kab Buch: Thank you for Mother’s day wishes!
serenasakitty over 13 years ago
Happy Mother’s Day.
Teresa said “Since when can Wrestlling be described as Science Fiction?” I don’t know about Science but it has always been Fiction.
Elaine Rosco Premium Member over 13 years ago
Such a shame to waste beautiful days in front of a TV set. I’m glad in my younger days we only watched it occasionally. Much more fun being outside playing with friends and developing social skills.
Happy Mommys Day!
gofinsc over 13 years ago
And all this began because Calvin was reading a book.
Muzition over 13 years ago
I don’t really mind what year this strip is from. I like strips from all years. :)
rogue53 over 13 years ago
puddleglum:
Yesterday you stated: “I don’t ‘give God the blame’ for anything, but I think He is responsible for everything.”
There was a landslide in the Philippines recently, dozens of men, women and children died when their homes were buried under tons of mud. ‘God is responsible’
There was a tornado in Alabama that killed dozens, and destroyed everything they worked for all their lives. ‘God is responsible’.
Sorry, I will not blame God for man’s ignorance and abuse of the planet, but you feel God preordained it.
“When under trial, let no one say “‘I am being tried by God.’ For with evil things God can not be tried, NOR DOES HE HIMSELF TRY ANYONE.” James 1:13
God is good, “God is Love”.. He is not “responsible” for man making bad decisions and therefor suffering the consequences. Man is ‘responsible’ for those choices and their outcome.
quanticobaby over 13 years ago
Well, I am a happy mother today. All my little Calvin’s are wonderful, grownup men now…
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
rogue53, No matter what happens, God is testing and the devil is tempting. God’s objective is to build man’s character for eternity. We are here to obtain everlasting life through Jesus Christ and his death on the cross paying the penalty for our sins. Then we should live the rest of our lives seeking to become like Jesus. The devil’s objective is to destroy man’s character, and make us like him. Listen to some of these people that suffer tragedy, disease, illness, accidents and various other kinds of adversities. It can draw them to God and make them better, or it can separate them from God and make them bitter. In heaven there will be no more tears, pain, suffering and death. There will be eternal bliss and joy in the presence of the Almighty God. Obviously, you and I have some differences in our theology. I prefer mine. You prefer yours. So let it be!
dahawk over 13 years ago
Puddlegum, sounds like you agree with me in that “foreknowledge” is not “preordained”. God gave us free will to decide and in my opinion knows what we will decide, but he has not predestined the decision.
kab2rb over 13 years ago
LX013 your welcome. I’m a mom to. I have two adult kids boy older and girl. I hope you clicked on blue wording I think is very nice.
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
Hobbes, Y’all didn’t really need an excuse, but your rationalization is clever enough to be acceptable. :o)
Gretchen's Mom over 13 years ago
Teresa said: Sometimes the Discovery Channel is good, but even the SyFi channel has Wrestling on it now. Since when can Wrestling be described as Science Fiction?
Teresa: Have you ever seen any of this so-called “professional wrestling” stuff? If you have, then you’ve answered your own question!
Gretchen's Mom over 13 years ago
I like watching HGTV and the DIY Network.
tedcoop over 13 years ago
When Marx wrote that, opium wasn’t considered one of society’s ills, it were just something that made pain bearable for those who could afford it. Marx wasn’t decrying religion, he was saying that religion is what makes pain bearable for most people.
JR6019 over 13 years ago
You come to a fork in the road. Will you go right or left? God knows the outcome of each path and every twist and turn along the way. The choice is up to you. That’s free will. He will be there to support you, wherever those choices lead you. That’s his promise.
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
Apostle4God, I believe the devil can do absolutely nothing unless God lets him. “The god of this world”, the devil is limited to what God will allow. That’s how God is responsible, but he’s not blameable because he works it all into his ultimate plan and purpose which is good. As Joseph told his brothers, “Now therefore, be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that you sold me here: for God did send me before you to preserve life. Genesis 45:5 “But as for you, you thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Genesis 50:20
ratlum over 13 years ago
Know wonder Christianity is been overtaken world wide.
mrprongs over 13 years ago
Hobbes just became Mom’s alter ego.
Lestat127 over 13 years ago
The people bringing god into it are missing the point, imo.
runninanreadin over 13 years ago
Aaaaaaaaaah….I can feel the brain sludge just OOOOOOOOOO-zing out…
hippogriff over 13 years ago
If you can find the full quote (hard), it has to do with the poor unable to get adequate medical care and have faith to substitute for anesthetics because the ruling “elite” will not permit them any other to ease their suffering. Remember, it comes from the mid-19th century. While this is a part of a fairly justified attack on institutional religion, that part in context is rather favorable to real faith.
mdblanche over 13 years ago
@mrprongs
More Dad’s alter ego. Except Dad wouldn’t have given in. He would have kicked Calvin outside and not unlocked the door until Calvin had built some character.
COWBOY7 over 13 years ago
If you can’t beat him, join him, Hobbes?!
bmonk over 13 years ago
Love it! Even Hobbes gets drawn in.
Of course reality shows are predominating. Once they have a fellow addicted, the dealers can provide a poorer quality product–doesn’t matter, because he’s hooked.
I’m so glad I’m not addicted to anything to do with a TV screen, like comics on the inter-…nevermind.
khpage over 13 years ago
Some thoughts here: first - TV IS BUBBLEGUM FOR THE MIND. Second, when Jesus had been resurrected, and was surrounded by people who knew Him, and knew who He was, the Scripture notes the following: “….and some doubted…” Free will? Determinism? You choose….
pbarnrob over 13 years ago
Look for the latest book by Vincent Bugliosi (the LA prosecutor who put away Charles Manson), The Divinity of Doubt - he makes some solid sense about all this dichotomy between free will and predestination, and ties up the evidence for the jury. Just heard a great interview he did on Uprising about, among other things, the difficulty getting it published.
billhulsizer over 13 years ago
Did a new artist start on May 8 or are you re-printing old comics? The artwork is nowhere near the quality we normally get.
the Hobbes miester over 12 years ago
Who likes this stile better then the newer one?
Gear 5 almost 2 years ago
Hey! The opening panel is what gocomics uses for the C&H part of the website