There’s a problem in your theory, Garry, people are born tall or short. People can either play a sport well, or not. Not everyone is or can be the same in those categories. However EVERYONE has the ability to get a picture ID to claim that you are who you say you are as a legal citizen of America.
It’s rather obvious that the ’Baggers, bigots and idjits (Oh my!) have never gotten over, indeed are still outraged by, the single biggest Federal mandate ever imposed on the people and the states by any U. S. President: the Emancipation Proclamation!
And meanwhile, drones still flyOver weddings and schoolsChildren die, and parents weep.And meanwhileThe shadow of imperialism stalks Foreign lands. And meanwhile, freedom marches onWith boots blood-drenched with the souls of the Innocent, and the tears of the Unwillingly forsaken,Not a word of thatWill Trudeau speak.
Correct, Coyoty. The ID business is a smoke screen to restrict minority voting. A small, diehard fringe of the Republican Party has never accepted that an African-American has been elected President. Racism dies hard.
There are now two more liberals in the State of Florida. The state won’t accept guvment’s Medicaid funding even though we all have paid our share of Fed taxes. So enjoy our portion 49 sister states.
Here’s a clue for Coyoty and the old professor. What minority are you referring to? Red, green, rich, poor. If you don’t have an I.D. how do you function in life today?YOUR CLUE…obviously you don’t. So…who is prevented from voting without an I.D.?…how about people who would vote “early and often”, or maybe, not eligible because they’re “dead”, “under age”, “not” a citizen, or perhaps a “felon”. This has nothing to do with the Republican or Democrat party, nothing to do with racism…simply protecting the integrity of the system to ensure “our” voting rights are protected. Call me skeptical, but when someone says they don’t want the voting system protected from fraud…I’m thinking that guy is up to something…and I’d bet the farm on that one.
I can get behind furnishing every voter an ID card. In fact, we should be making voting mandatory for all adults at a certain age. Weekends or voter holidays should be set aside for people to come to polling places, staffed by publicly funded full-time staff, overseen by an independent, non-partisan commission. Voting districts would be determined on the basis of population and geographical boundaries. And elections would be publicly funded over a limited time period with public broadcast time on major and cable networks. No corporate or individual contributions accepted.
Check Wikipedia’s entry at “Jim Crow Laws.” It seems that the entire Jim Crow thing was orchestrated and pushed by establishment Democrats after the Civil War. The same Democrats who are still in power today. Does this tell us anything? Can history still teach us? Let’s hope so!
You have that right, Q4horse. A little history lesson. Now the Democrats are keeping Republicans out of power by doing what they were afraid the Republicans would have done back in the days they rammed through these laws.
I fortunately live in a state where we all vote by mail. There’s been no evidence of voter fraud & everyone regardless of party affiliation gets to vote without any obstacles. In the primaries it’s the top 2 regardless of party who then advances to the general election. We’re simply too divided & need to work together & stop discriminating regardless of race, income or politics.
In 1770, this country was a colony of England. In 1788-89, it became a Republic which is different than a Democracy. Get your facts straight before you start making comments.
There is very little evidence of voter fraud anywhere.Meanwhile, “voter suppression” is more than just the addition of new ID laws. It’s also: changing polling locations, reducing polling hours, eliminating early voting days, reducing the number of polling places, packing districts, changing election dates, splitting elections into multiple days or polling places . . What it’s really all about is a Republican party doing whatever it can to stay alive as all it continues to lose relevancy.
Many of the poor, elderly and college kids do not have a photo ID, since they might not drive. It should not require someone to be wealthy enough to have access to car in order to vote.
It is very difficult to prove statistically how many pregnancies resulted from rape or incest. Many victims of those crimes do not come forward. Also, many women have medical complications which are a threat to their lives. Women have the right to make their own decisions about their own bodies and their own lives.
Something to crow about?Leveling the playing field?Protecting the system from the “wrong kind”?.This be for the birds.?another thing is not letting convicted felons vote while in prison.How they gonna learn civic responsibility without getting to vote?It should be interesting and interesting to see what politicians would do to try to win their favor..Win-win all around.
If someone is unaware of the long lines in poor areas in polling places, they must not be paying attention. There have also been many stories of those who were denied their legal right to vote due to lack of a photo ID. Maybe there are crickets in regard to this on Fox, but everywhere else we have heard about it.
Don’t forget us leftist liberals who happen to be old white males.BTW, I’m also an Atheist and also a Socialist.They don’t want people like me voting against them."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There are also a bunch of leftist liberals who happen to be old white females.AND, btw, I’m also an Atheist and also a Socialist. (and a voter.).I will always vote. For one thing, it’s my duty — and for another thing, I take great delight in knowing that they don’t want me to.
Garry Trudeau is a capable cartooninst, but he is also a left wing extremist. Every now and then he falls in the mode where the only important thing to him is to attack those who do not shere his far left views. After a few days he will snap out of it and return to producing a good comic strip.
I would not say GT is a liberal extremist, though he is a liberal. He has been commenting on social issues since the Watergate/Vietnam era. Social commentary has always been part of Doonesbury. Many of us enjoy the social/political commentary, which is very much a part of Doonesbury and always has been and I suspect, always will be.
But, Holder believes in enforcing the law according to skin color, and the ACA specifically excludes groups from the law. Aren’t they MORE Jim Crow than asking everyone to have an ID before voting? BTW, we have 15 million illegals in this country, are they voting?
Thanks you for that information. Here’s another interesting fact: The Emancipation Proclamation emancipated the slaves in the Confederacy…not so in the Union. The Democrat Party was founded in 1828 and it’s first president was Andrew Jackson, a slave holder.
In the mid-west we call tea bagging conservatives middle class. We love our guns and bibles, balanced budgets, limited government, reduction of government debt and more mayonnaise in our potato salad. Who can object to that.
Everyone in this thread who says “anyone can get an ID” or “if you need one for everything else, why not for voting?” has not bothered to look into what’s really been going on for the past year, how these laws are implemented, how they affect specific people in specific circumstances, and most of all, in light of our country’s recent history, how transparent the motives behind them are. Remember—-just because it makes you uncomfortable to read it, or even angry to read it, that has nothing to do with whether it’s true or not. Look into the actual people affected by these laws, and HOW they are affected, before you go making judgments.
“Also not everyone can get around and fork over the money they don’t have for something they didn’t need.”.They have money for beer, cigs, cable, cell phones, A/C….I’m sure they can find $5 to get a stinking PHOTO ID!
" What has been done is using the e-voting machines to make up 1-2% phantom voters in close elections for Republicans. Republicans that own such companies."--Not doubting it because they are often crooks, but your proof is????
Thanks for that reply. The AMA reports that only 7% of women having abortions deal with incest, rape or mother’s health. There are almost 1 million abortions a year…year after year after year. The rest…are of connivence.
I live in a gated community. I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor. Rich is better. I left the army with $120 dollars in my pocket. I had to go home or get a job that day. Rich is a lot of hard work.
Lots of people oppose abortion until it is their daughter, sister, wife, or girlfriend who needs one. We must never go back to the coat hanger days because someone wants to judge the poor woman in unfortunate circumstances who needs an abortion. If you don’t want to have an abortion, then don’t. However, you don’t have the right to judge others.
.001% death rate—medical mistakes by doctors/nurses..00026% death rate—vehicles.000008% voter fraud—numbers based on urban legendWhich of these should most occupy the thoughts of our concerned politicians?
" . . . but not gun registration certificates."?..Guns are being registered?.Sounds like a ploy the Republicans are using to get minorities to buy guns.
You all are wasting your time arguing with slow people when their only answer is “I have ID, why doesn’t everyone?” Leaving aside the fact that they don’t want everyone to vote.
“The new law cancels all other ID’s including student IDs but not gun registration certificates.”.A student with a student ID isn’t ALWAYS American, Night-Gaunt49. And you have to be a citizen, at least where I am to get a gun registration. Darn, did I blow a hole in your hope of non-American students from voting?
Again, if they want us to have photo ID, why isn’t there a photo on my Voter’s Card? I got it at the same time & place that I got my Driver’s License, why didn’t they use the same picture? If they want photo ID, why don’t they issue photo ID?
“Don’t forget us leftist liberals who happen to be old white males.BTW, I’m also an Atheist and also a Socialist.They don’t want people like me voting against them.”
Gosh! A real, live, American socialist. Like wow! We don’t even have socialists in the UK.
Other than certain places, people voting multiple times in the same national election is a myth. I am sure it happens, but false IDs will do that. It is too much work to vote more than once.
Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
and women who want to have control over their bodies…
JP Steve Premium Member almost 11 years ago
I bet this discussion will get really interesting by morning!
alcors3 almost 11 years ago
Just drug test each voter and you won’t need any other restrictions.
Swalb%515 almost 11 years ago
Codeword in action.
Don Winchester Premium Member almost 11 years ago
There’s a problem in your theory, Garry, people are born tall or short. People can either play a sport well, or not. Not everyone is or can be the same in those categories. However EVERYONE has the ability to get a picture ID to claim that you are who you say you are as a legal citizen of America.
Alexander the Good Enough almost 11 years ago
It’s rather obvious that the ’Baggers, bigots and idjits (Oh my!) have never gotten over, indeed are still outraged by, the single biggest Federal mandate ever imposed on the people and the states by any U. S. President: the Emancipation Proclamation!
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
Gee Gary. What’s with you? You don’t want a voters to identify themselves? My first thought would be…What are you trying to pull?
King_Shark almost 11 years ago
And meanwhile, drones still flyOver weddings and schoolsChildren die, and parents weep.And meanwhileThe shadow of imperialism stalks Foreign lands. And meanwhile, freedom marches onWith boots blood-drenched with the souls of the Innocent, and the tears of the Unwillingly forsaken,Not a word of thatWill Trudeau speak.
jackhs almost 11 years ago
It’s peoples own dAm fault if they don’t get out and vote. Or they are stupid.
Coyoty Premium Member almost 11 years ago
The intent of voter ID restrictions is to provide more excuses to restrict voters.
the old professor almost 11 years ago
Correct, Coyoty. The ID business is a smoke screen to restrict minority voting. A small, diehard fringe of the Republican Party has never accepted that an African-American has been elected President. Racism dies hard.
Crabbyrino Premium Member almost 11 years ago
There are now two more liberals in the State of Florida. The state won’t accept guvment’s Medicaid funding even though we all have paid our share of Fed taxes. So enjoy our portion 49 sister states.
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
Here’s a clue for Coyoty and the old professor. What minority are you referring to? Red, green, rich, poor. If you don’t have an I.D. how do you function in life today?YOUR CLUE…obviously you don’t. So…who is prevented from voting without an I.D.?…how about people who would vote “early and often”, or maybe, not eligible because they’re “dead”, “under age”, “not” a citizen, or perhaps a “felon”. This has nothing to do with the Republican or Democrat party, nothing to do with racism…simply protecting the integrity of the system to ensure “our” voting rights are protected. Call me skeptical, but when someone says they don’t want the voting system protected from fraud…I’m thinking that guy is up to something…and I’d bet the farm on that one.
Darsan54 Premium Member almost 11 years ago
I can get behind furnishing every voter an ID card. In fact, we should be making voting mandatory for all adults at a certain age. Weekends or voter holidays should be set aside for people to come to polling places, staffed by publicly funded full-time staff, overseen by an independent, non-partisan commission. Voting districts would be determined on the basis of population and geographical boundaries. And elections would be publicly funded over a limited time period with public broadcast time on major and cable networks. No corporate or individual contributions accepted.
Then maybe could start sending Jim Crow packing.
watashi73 almost 11 years ago
Not to worry. This is what ACORN, Nursing Homes, Cemeteries, Mary Poppins, Jive Turkey, and ownership of the Urban Voting Machines is all about.
karljegolf almost 11 years ago
Your strip is more COMIC every day.
chizzel almost 11 years ago
I just wanted to read a cartoon
David Tucker almost 11 years ago
Check Wikipedia’s entry at “Jim Crow Laws.” It seems that the entire Jim Crow thing was orchestrated and pushed by establishment Democrats after the Civil War. The same Democrats who are still in power today. Does this tell us anything? Can history still teach us? Let’s hope so!
sbchamp almost 11 years ago
If ya pay ’em off, do they stay bought?
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
The first GOP prez would be a Democrat today.
Q4horse almost 11 years ago
Jim Crow is not back. Jim Crow never left. Jim Crow was originally invented by southern democrats to keep republicans out of power.
terryfitz1 almost 11 years ago
You have that right, Q4horse. A little history lesson. Now the Democrats are keeping Republicans out of power by doing what they were afraid the Republicans would have done back in the days they rammed through these laws.
Dapperdan61 Premium Member almost 11 years ago
I fortunately live in a state where we all vote by mail. There’s been no evidence of voter fraud & everyone regardless of party affiliation gets to vote without any obstacles. In the primaries it’s the top 2 regardless of party who then advances to the general election. We’re simply too divided & need to work together & stop discriminating regardless of race, income or politics.
terryfitz1 almost 11 years ago
In 1770, this country was a colony of England. In 1788-89, it became a Republic which is different than a Democracy. Get your facts straight before you start making comments.
rixtex almost 11 years ago
A little disinformation for the low information voter. Nice!.
Radical-Knight almost 11 years ago
Typical political rhetoric… silly and senseless.
corzak almost 11 years ago
There is very little evidence of voter fraud anywhere.Meanwhile, “voter suppression” is more than just the addition of new ID laws. It’s also: changing polling locations, reducing polling hours, eliminating early voting days, reducing the number of polling places, packing districts, changing election dates, splitting elections into multiple days or polling places . . What it’s really all about is a Republican party doing whatever it can to stay alive as all it continues to lose relevancy.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
Many of the poor, elderly and college kids do not have a photo ID, since they might not drive. It should not require someone to be wealthy enough to have access to car in order to vote.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
It is very difficult to prove statistically how many pregnancies resulted from rape or incest. Many victims of those crimes do not come forward. Also, many women have medical complications which are a threat to their lives. Women have the right to make their own decisions about their own bodies and their own lives.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 11 years ago
Something to crow about?Leveling the playing field?Protecting the system from the “wrong kind”?.This be for the birds.?another thing is not letting convicted felons vote while in prison.How they gonna learn civic responsibility without getting to vote?It should be interesting and interesting to see what politicians would do to try to win their favor..Win-win all around.
susan.e.a.c almost 11 years ago
Why, look at all the stories about legal voters who have been prevented from voting by the GOP….(crickets).
kaffekup almost 11 years ago
Typical republican philosophy: I got mine, screw you.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
If someone is unaware of the long lines in poor areas in polling places, they must not be paying attention. There have also been many stories of those who were denied their legal right to vote due to lack of a photo ID. Maybe there are crickets in regard to this on Fox, but everywhere else we have heard about it.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
If there were no drones, there would be far more killing with the boots on the ground approach.
goweeder almost 11 years ago
" Clark Kent said, about 7 hours ago
Don’t forget us leftist liberals who happen to be old white males.BTW, I’m also an Atheist and also a Socialist.They don’t want people like me voting against them."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There are also a bunch of leftist liberals who happen to be old white females.AND, btw, I’m also an Atheist and also a Socialist. (and a voter.).I will always vote. For one thing, it’s my duty — and for another thing, I take great delight in knowing that they don’t want me to.
georgelcsmith almost 11 years ago
Garry Trudeau is a capable cartooninst, but he is also a left wing extremist. Every now and then he falls in the mode where the only important thing to him is to attack those who do not shere his far left views. After a few days he will snap out of it and return to producing a good comic strip.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
I would not say GT is a liberal extremist, though he is a liberal. He has been commenting on social issues since the Watergate/Vietnam era. Social commentary has always been part of Doonesbury. Many of us enjoy the social/political commentary, which is very much a part of Doonesbury and always has been and I suspect, always will be.
davbart92663 almost 11 years ago
But, Holder believes in enforcing the law according to skin color, and the ACA specifically excludes groups from the law. Aren’t they MORE Jim Crow than asking everyone to have an ID before voting? BTW, we have 15 million illegals in this country, are they voting?
Not the Smartest Man On the Planet -- Maybe Close Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Trudeau still does the best punch lines in the business. Stand tall, voters!
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
So you say? Name them.
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
Polls don’t have big signs over them that say…only Democrats vote here…or no blacks allowed…get your head straight.
joe vignone almost 11 years ago
How about a WAR on the GOP?
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
Thanks you for that information. Here’s another interesting fact: The Emancipation Proclamation emancipated the slaves in the Confederacy…not so in the Union. The Democrat Party was founded in 1828 and it’s first president was Andrew Jackson, a slave holder.
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
You speak apples and oranges. Confederation is how the colonies were formed, Republic is how you are represented
potrerokid almost 11 years ago
You STILL need to be a CITIZEN and be REGISTERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
In the mid-west we call tea bagging conservatives middle class. We love our guns and bibles, balanced budgets, limited government, reduction of government debt and more mayonnaise in our potato salad. Who can object to that.
JLG Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Everyone in this thread who says “anyone can get an ID” or “if you need one for everything else, why not for voting?” has not bothered to look into what’s really been going on for the past year, how these laws are implemented, how they affect specific people in specific circumstances, and most of all, in light of our country’s recent history, how transparent the motives behind them are. Remember—-just because it makes you uncomfortable to read it, or even angry to read it, that has nothing to do with whether it’s true or not. Look into the actual people affected by these laws, and HOW they are affected, before you go making judgments.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
A line from Alpha House, “if he could see what the Tea Party is up to today, Lincoln would puke.”
Don Winchester Premium Member almost 11 years ago
“Also not everyone can get around and fork over the money they don’t have for something they didn’t need.”.They have money for beer, cigs, cable, cell phones, A/C….I’m sure they can find $5 to get a stinking PHOTO ID!
Don Winchester Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Sources…..???
blackash2004-tree Premium Member almost 11 years ago
It is like the 1930’s……Fascists like Obama and Trudeau prove it.
oneoldhat almost 11 years ago
dead people have a right to vote
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 11 years ago
" What has been done is using the e-voting machines to make up 1-2% phantom voters in close elections for Republicans. Republicans that own such companies."--Not doubting it because they are often crooks, but your proof is????
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
Thanks for that reply. The AMA reports that only 7% of women having abortions deal with incest, rape or mother’s health. There are almost 1 million abortions a year…year after year after year. The rest…are of connivence.
cwg almost 11 years ago
I think Gary is one of those people that just like throwing gasoline on non-existent fires.
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
I live in a gated community. I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor. Rich is better. I left the army with $120 dollars in my pocket. I had to go home or get a job that day. Rich is a lot of hard work.
SlightlySlow almost 11 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)
There have been 15 Democratic presidents, the first being Andrew Jackson, who served from 1829 to 1837
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
Lots of people oppose abortion until it is their daughter, sister, wife, or girlfriend who needs one. We must never go back to the coat hanger days because someone wants to judge the poor woman in unfortunate circumstances who needs an abortion. If you don’t want to have an abortion, then don’t. However, you don’t have the right to judge others.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
Unfortunately, voter disenfranchisement is a very real problem. I am glad GT is addressing it.
Duane Ott almost 11 years ago
.001% death rate—medical mistakes by doctors/nurses..00026% death rate—vehicles.000008% voter fraud—numbers based on urban legendWhich of these should most occupy the thoughts of our concerned politicians?
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 11 years ago
" . . . but not gun registration certificates."?..Guns are being registered?.Sounds like a ploy the Republicans are using to get minorities to buy guns.
kaffekup almost 11 years ago
You all are wasting your time arguing with slow people when their only answer is “I have ID, why doesn’t everyone?” Leaving aside the fact that they don’t want everyone to vote.
montessoriteacher almost 11 years ago
“You all are wasting…” So true, Kaffekup.
kaffekup almost 11 years ago
Who were really, and are now, REPUBLICANS? You’ll never understand, will you?
Don Winchester Premium Member almost 11 years ago
“The new law cancels all other ID’s including student IDs but not gun registration certificates.”.A student with a student ID isn’t ALWAYS American, Night-Gaunt49. And you have to be a citizen, at least where I am to get a gun registration. Darn, did I blow a hole in your hope of non-American students from voting?
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Again, if they want us to have photo ID, why isn’t there a photo on my Voter’s Card? I got it at the same time & place that I got my Driver’s License, why didn’t they use the same picture? If they want photo ID, why don’t they issue photo ID?
IamUnique1 almost 11 years ago
“Don’t forget us leftist liberals who happen to be old white males.BTW, I’m also an Atheist and also a Socialist.They don’t want people like me voting against them.”
Gosh! A real, live, American socialist. Like wow! We don’t even have socialists in the UK.
route66paul almost 11 years ago
Other than certain places, people voting multiple times in the same national election is a myth. I am sure it happens, but false IDs will do that. It is too much work to vote more than once.
blackash2004-tree Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.