When white men commit such tragedies, they’re allowed to have “mental illness” as their defense while enablers insist on “freedom against tyranny.” Those of darker complexions who commit similar tragedies are labeled as “thugs” and “terrorists” who are trying to destroy America.
This is misleading, practically a lie. The statistics for mass shootings show nearly all (98%) are by males, true – and it’s shocking since males and females have equal access to guns, and many females also play violent video games. However, the data shows that only a small majority of mass shootings in the US were by white men – only 54%. Now consider the fact that 74.8% of the US population is white, and that the male/female ratio is nearly equal, so 54% of 75% is only 40%. The math doesn’t lie – the vast majority of mass shootings in the US is indeed by males, but, compared to the general population, these males are actually more likely to be not white! I hope the data has revealed Wiley’s fallacy in bringing race into it. Gender, sadly yes that’s a huge difference – but race, not so much, and actually it’s in the opposite direction.
What a crock! just because white men are easy targets, there seems not to be any bias attached to putting down whites, and that will not wash, clean up your act.
And to add further, all mass shootings have been by those whose father had left. No decent role model. http://thebullelephant.com/what-do-all-the-mass-shooters-have-in-common-no-father-in-the-home/
There is plenty of blame to go around. What there isn’t is a coherent long term plan to correct the perception that a gun or any other form of violence can resolve whatever problems the attacker has with his/her social and/or political life. And, sadly, there is never likely to be one, sensible discourse being absent from the discussions.
Yes, Bob! Don’t you know Clarence Thomas will live out the rest of his years saddled with guilt and living in constant fear he’ll be discovered as the slimy fraud he really is. After all, once you’ve thrown down the race card as cover for your crimes, you can’t pick it up and repeat the play. Best lay low and keep quiet on the bench.
Mass murder is a thing in African, predominantly Black, countries. Unless we choose to consider them not mass murderers but political operatives representing some type of ideology.
Might be nice of the CDC and the National Institutes of Health would conduct research into gun violence…oh wait, the Dickey Amendment has stifled this.
Yes, leave out Chicago. Doesn’t really count, although the average murder rate was 54 individuals a month in 2017. Mostly Afro-Americans, mostly gun violence. Oh yeah, guns are illegal to own there, too.
I don’t disagree with the info stated in the last panel. But I’m confused about the douuble standarad of reporting facts: So if someone said that the majority of car jackings or murders of young men are commitd by blacks, that would be racist? (I don’t condone any type of crime, no matter who is at fault!)
There have been a few mass shootings by nonwhite men, but yes, most are by white men. I can’t think of one where a woman was the shooter. Surely there has been at least one, but they are exceedingly rare.
If statistics are the order of the day, can someone please tell us what percentage of total firearm murders each year are the result of mass or rampage shootings?
Obviously Wiley Miller is trying to develop a program of putting all white males in concentration camps because “they” are so dangerous. Forget about the run if the mill drive by shootings that kill innocent babies, those killings don’t matter. Perhaps Wiley considers those killings just a “self-cleaning oven”, not to be concerned with for that reason. [I don’t, by the way. I think those need at least as much attention as the mass shootings.] Wiley, you have no future as a politician, at least that’s my hope.
I’ve stated my views on this subject umpteen times in this and other comment sections, so, while I read all of the comments this week – ranging from sensible and thought provoking to absolutely asinine – I’ve refrained posting any personal thoughts.
Let me offer to everyone who celebrates Passover, or Easter, my best wishes to you. For those who are non-religious or whose religious faith isn’t tied to these holy days, I wish you all well, also.
Just an observation… To those who do celebrate the religious aspect of this holidays,…both traditions were born out of cultural remembrances of acts of violence.
Remember years ago when that whacko far-left organization, the NRA, endorsed a temporary ban on assault weapons? (Probably grudgingly, but it did endorse the ban.) The entire time it was in effect, zero people had their second amendment rights violated. based on that ban. If the ban had not been repealed, the number today, BASED SOLELY ON THAT BAN, who had their second amendment rights violated in all these years, would also be zero.
Oh, good, so gender profiling isn’t sufficient, we have to combine it with racial profiling. Got it. Wanna throw in age and religion components as well? Maybe socio-economic status? Let’s really tee off on the mentally ill, while we’re at it. And when we’re done, we’ll have whittled the ranks of potential mass murderers down to, oh, about 8-10% of the population, which we should then all round up and ship off to concentration camps to keep everybody else safe. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
For those remarking on Chicago (not even first in violet crime) and other cities, especially “inner cities”:You may be interested in looking into correlation between poverty and violent crime. Links between stress and aggression may be interesting to you as well.
If it was anyone but white men, conservatives would have already suggested a registry for them, ya know, so we can keep track of potential trouble makers.
I’m really looking forward to seeing where Wiley takes this next week (in other words, really hoping he doesn’t just drop it here and start a new story).
We are encountering the fundamental problem of stereotyping any racial, ethnic, religious, gender, immigrant, etc., group as the “source of criminals”: while it may be true that 99% or more of mass shooters are white males, it’s also true that at least 99.995% of white males are NOT mass shooters. So while being a mass shooter is a good predictor of race and gender, race and gender at a worthless predictor of mass shooter behavior. Same goes for ethnicity, religion, status as immigrant vs citizen, etc. Attempting to say that any of these things identifies a particular person as the “criminal type” makes as much sense as basing a similar identification upon length of noses and fingers, or the pattern of bumps upon the head (both of which have been given credence at various times).
It’ll be interesting to see how this story line plays out…
Perhaps Wylie would like to develop this theme by suggesting the feminisation of firearm ownership. We could address the oversupply of guns in the civilian community simply by requiring all gun owners or users to wear a dress.
There is a repetitive theme in these comments that if a woman does something men do, it’s OK for thousands of men to do it. How about making it wrong for everyone equally. Oh, wait it is, but for some reason white males get off far easier for the same crime as everyone else, including white women, but not exclusively.
There was a woman, Marrissa Alexander, in prison in Florida because she only fired a warning shot at her husband. Her original sentence was 20. Apparently, it would have been better for her legally if she had killed him. It likely didn’t help her being black. The other thing going against her, was the courts decided her wounds and proof of abuse from her husband weren’t bad enough for her to fire a weapon at him. There has been a very big difference in how Florida’s ill thought Stand Your Ground law is applied.
Enough. It’s time that money, gender, and race don’t factor in sentencing for the same crime. Circumstances and background of the individual that shows the persons general character should always be considered, but nothing else. Someone who gets caught in the moment and punches someone in the face, should not be sentenced the same as someone who does it repeatedly. However, that should be the only factor, not wealth, skin tone, and/or gender.
What’s really sad, is it is very possible for everyone in the world to choose to be nice. It is a choice, but there are so many not willing to make that choice, because they can’t figure out what they get out of it. Apparently, a happy world where no one lives in fear isn’t enough. Just think of the money we would have for education, health, and science if we could stop spending so much trying to kill one another.
BTW, in light of much of the information coming out about Russian and Republican cyber trolling, it’s pretty easy to guess which posts here are part of that. Sadly, they aren’t all of the stupid posts, but they do lead and reinforce an army of stupid.
White men, the group of people not allowed to have an identity. Not allowed to celebrate achievements. Not allowed to complain about the problems they face as white men. All this is allowed to fester. Most male shooters have a history of being bullied. Did any students or faculty come to there aid? What’s left. Suicide or revenge.
While black Americans and other non-Caucasian Americans continue to have significant problems in our society, exclusion from the ranks of perpetrators of criminal homicides is not one of them. News reports are not a reliable basis for statistical claims.
Wow, that strip was racist and ignorant. Black males shoot down thousands of innocent folk in the streets yearly. Same goes for Hispanic gang members. The murders committed by white males in this country (especially given the proportions) pales in comparison. Wiley, you are a new kind of self-destructive moron.
Wow! I was not aware that dead people cared how they died – in a shooting or a mass shooting. Seems to me if I were dead, I’d be pretty pissed about the dead part, and not so much about how many came along with me. And if you look at homicides in inner cities like Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Chicago, and on and on, you will note that – unfortunately for the undertone of the cartoon above – vastly more people are murdered in a typical day than are murdered in the typical “mass murder” (over 3 people), which only happens every few months. Of course, it’s mostly black people killed by other blacks, so that’s the 3rd rail of political correctness, and it seems that no one really cares about the assembly-line daily mayhem of the black community; only about white. male. AR-15. shooting. Do I have it right there? So why do dead people care so much about the latter, and not so much about the former? Anyone want to mansplain that to me?
Lol. You lefty white guilt pukes crack me up. Ignore the facts. White peoples should just shoot themselves right Wiley. God you pukes are idiots. Get an education and learn the facts asswipes.
Dtroutma over 6 years ago
The statistics, sadly, don’t lie.
wherehaveallthetalentedartistsgone over 6 years ago
At least it’s nice that someone is actually talking about WHO is committing these atrocities instead of blaming inanimate objects.
mr_sherman Premium Member over 6 years ago
…waiting for the comments to start piling in……
Superfrog over 6 years ago
So, if you outlaw guns for males, only females will own guns. Ok…… I’m good with that.
Say What? Premium Member over 6 years ago
When white men commit such tragedies, they’re allowed to have “mental illness” as their defense while enablers insist on “freedom against tyranny.” Those of darker complexions who commit similar tragedies are labeled as “thugs” and “terrorists” who are trying to destroy America.
sealbee over 6 years ago
Because gang killings, L.A., Chicago, Detroit, they don’t count…
pcolli over 6 years ago
It’s nothing to do with skin colour…. it’s the attitude of the person concerned.
jrowell over 6 years ago
This is misleading, practically a lie. The statistics for mass shootings show nearly all (98%) are by males, true – and it’s shocking since males and females have equal access to guns, and many females also play violent video games. However, the data shows that only a small majority of mass shootings in the US were by white men – only 54%. Now consider the fact that 74.8% of the US population is white, and that the male/female ratio is nearly equal, so 54% of 75% is only 40%. The math doesn’t lie – the vast majority of mass shootings in the US is indeed by males, but, compared to the general population, these males are actually more likely to be not white! I hope the data has revealed Wiley’s fallacy in bringing race into it. Gender, sadly yes that’s a huge difference – but race, not so much, and actually it’s in the opposite direction.
Sources:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/
http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Sex_ratios
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-05.pdf
submachine over 6 years ago
What a crock! just because white men are easy targets, there seems not to be any bias attached to putting down whites, and that will not wash, clean up your act.
Qiset over 6 years ago
And to add further, all mass shootings have been by those whose father had left. No decent role model. http://thebullelephant.com/what-do-all-the-mass-shooters-have-in-common-no-father-in-the-home/
For a Just and Peaceful World over 6 years ago
For Chicago’s wacko demographic, google: 2018 chicago murder crime mayhem race of victim
sandpiper over 6 years ago
There is plenty of blame to go around. What there isn’t is a coherent long term plan to correct the perception that a gun or any other form of violence can resolve whatever problems the attacker has with his/her social and/or political life. And, sadly, there is never likely to be one, sensible discourse being absent from the discussions.
Andrew Sleeth over 6 years ago
Yes, Bob! Don’t you know Clarence Thomas will live out the rest of his years saddled with guilt and living in constant fear he’ll be discovered as the slimy fraud he really is. After all, once you’ve thrown down the race card as cover for your crimes, you can’t pick it up and repeat the play. Best lay low and keep quiet on the bench.
E.WizardGlick over 6 years ago
Mass murder is a thing in African, predominantly Black, countries. Unless we choose to consider them not mass murderers but political operatives representing some type of ideology.
Sportymonk over 6 years ago
The majority have been raised in fatherless homes and many have been on medication for issues. Makes you wonder.
Bruce1253 over 6 years ago
So let’s raise the age for owning a gun to 21 for most people. White men will have to be 35 before they can purchase a gun.
Radish... over 6 years ago
Sometimes when people get emotionally hurt,
they want to make everyone else hurt as much as they do.
mourdac Premium Member over 6 years ago
Might be nice of the CDC and the National Institutes of Health would conduct research into gun violence…oh wait, the Dickey Amendment has stifled this.
the lost wizard over 6 years ago
Why leave it there. Let’s further break this down to ethnic background so we can know whom to really blame.
paul GROSS Premium Member over 6 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
Tinman Premium Member over 6 years ago
Yes, leave out Chicago. Doesn’t really count, although the average murder rate was 54 individuals a month in 2017. Mostly Afro-Americans, mostly gun violence. Oh yeah, guns are illegal to own there, too.
nosirrom over 6 years ago
“Guns don’t kill people; people kill people” “But only a fool allows wackos to have guns!”
WCraft Premium Member over 6 years ago
I don’t disagree with the info stated in the last panel. But I’m confused about the douuble standarad of reporting facts: So if someone said that the majority of car jackings or murders of young men are commitd by blacks, that would be racist? (I don’t condone any type of crime, no matter who is at fault!)
GaryCooper over 6 years ago
There have been a few mass shootings by nonwhite men, but yes, most are by white men. I can’t think of one where a woman was the shooter. Surely there has been at least one, but they are exceedingly rare.
Andylit Premium Member over 6 years ago
If statistics are the order of the day, can someone please tell us what percentage of total firearm murders each year are the result of mass or rampage shootings?
Great Wizard Nala over 6 years ago
To repeat what my mother told me, “there are lies, damn lies, and statistics!”
Charlie Fogwhistle over 6 years ago
Obviously Wiley Miller is trying to develop a program of putting all white males in concentration camps because “they” are so dangerous. Forget about the run if the mill drive by shootings that kill innocent babies, those killings don’t matter. Perhaps Wiley considers those killings just a “self-cleaning oven”, not to be concerned with for that reason. [I don’t, by the way. I think those need at least as much attention as the mass shootings.] Wiley, you have no future as a politician, at least that’s my hope.
Ogmeister over 6 years ago
White DEMOCRAT males, to be specific.
Linguist over 6 years ago
I’ve stated my views on this subject umpteen times in this and other comment sections, so, while I read all of the comments this week – ranging from sensible and thought provoking to absolutely asinine – I’ve refrained posting any personal thoughts.
Let me offer to everyone who celebrates Passover, or Easter, my best wishes to you. For those who are non-religious or whose religious faith isn’t tied to these holy days, I wish you all well, also.
Just an observation… To those who do celebrate the religious aspect of this holidays,…both traditions were born out of cultural remembrances of acts of violence.
Godfreydaniel over 6 years ago
Remember years ago when that whacko far-left organization, the NRA, endorsed a temporary ban on assault weapons? (Probably grudgingly, but it did endorse the ban.) The entire time it was in effect, zero people had their second amendment rights violated. based on that ban. If the ban had not been repealed, the number today, BASED SOLELY ON THAT BAN, who had their second amendment rights violated in all these years, would also be zero.
Richard S Russell Premium Member over 6 years ago
Oh, good, so gender profiling isn’t sufficient, we have to combine it with racial profiling. Got it. Wanna throw in age and religion components as well? Maybe socio-economic status? Let’s really tee off on the mentally ill, while we’re at it. And when we’re done, we’ll have whittled the ranks of potential mass murderers down to, oh, about 8-10% of the population, which we should then all round up and ship off to concentration camps to keep everybody else safe. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
mr_sherman Premium Member over 6 years ago
WOW! More comments than even Luann. Great going, Wiley!
GQ4582 over 6 years ago
Unfollowing. I like comics because I thought there was no politics
moondog over 6 years ago
For those remarking on Chicago (not even first in violet crime) and other cities, especially “inner cities”:You may be interested in looking into correlation between poverty and violent crime. Links between stress and aggression may be interesting to you as well.
Daeder over 6 years ago
If it was anyone but white men, conservatives would have already suggested a registry for them, ya know, so we can keep track of potential trouble makers.
FredCapp over 6 years ago
Why not just try peace for awhile? If it doesn’t work out we can always go back to war. But then we would know, for sure, what peace is really like.
DanFlak over 6 years ago
As a white male, it is offensive to Trump therefore it is FAKE NEWS. Fox will cease reporting any mass shootings in the future.
tad1 over 6 years ago
I think this comic makes a good point, but I don’t like Wiley’s “all men are scum” attitude.
puddleglum1066 over 6 years ago
I’m really looking forward to seeing where Wiley takes this next week (in other words, really hoping he doesn’t just drop it here and start a new story).
We are encountering the fundamental problem of stereotyping any racial, ethnic, religious, gender, immigrant, etc., group as the “source of criminals”: while it may be true that 99% or more of mass shooters are white males, it’s also true that at least 99.995% of white males are NOT mass shooters. So while being a mass shooter is a good predictor of race and gender, race and gender at a worthless predictor of mass shooter behavior. Same goes for ethnicity, religion, status as immigrant vs citizen, etc. Attempting to say that any of these things identifies a particular person as the “criminal type” makes as much sense as basing a similar identification upon length of noses and fingers, or the pattern of bumps upon the head (both of which have been given credence at various times).
It’ll be interesting to see how this story line plays out…
Superfrog over 6 years ago
Perhaps Wylie would like to develop this theme by suggesting the feminisation of firearm ownership. We could address the oversupply of guns in the civilian community simply by requiring all gun owners or users to wear a dress.
GiantShetlandPony over 6 years ago
There is a repetitive theme in these comments that if a woman does something men do, it’s OK for thousands of men to do it. How about making it wrong for everyone equally. Oh, wait it is, but for some reason white males get off far easier for the same crime as everyone else, including white women, but not exclusively.
There was a woman, Marrissa Alexander, in prison in Florida because she only fired a warning shot at her husband. Her original sentence was 20. Apparently, it would have been better for her legally if she had killed him. It likely didn’t help her being black. The other thing going against her, was the courts decided her wounds and proof of abuse from her husband weren’t bad enough for her to fire a weapon at him. There has been a very big difference in how Florida’s ill thought Stand Your Ground law is applied.
Enough. It’s time that money, gender, and race don’t factor in sentencing for the same crime. Circumstances and background of the individual that shows the persons general character should always be considered, but nothing else. Someone who gets caught in the moment and punches someone in the face, should not be sentenced the same as someone who does it repeatedly. However, that should be the only factor, not wealth, skin tone, and/or gender.
What’s really sad, is it is very possible for everyone in the world to choose to be nice. It is a choice, but there are so many not willing to make that choice, because they can’t figure out what they get out of it. Apparently, a happy world where no one lives in fear isn’t enough. Just think of the money we would have for education, health, and science if we could stop spending so much trying to kill one another.
GiantShetlandPony over 6 years ago
BTW, in light of much of the information coming out about Russian and Republican cyber trolling, it’s pretty easy to guess which posts here are part of that. Sadly, they aren’t all of the stupid posts, but they do lead and reinforce an army of stupid.
kfsrmn. over 6 years ago
On Palm Sunday 1984 Christopher Thomas a black man, shot and killed 10 people in New York. He was released from prison in January of this year.
RonBerg13 Premium Member over 6 years ago
Have any of you yahoos ever heard of testosterone?
MCProfessor over 6 years ago
White men, the group of people not allowed to have an identity. Not allowed to celebrate achievements. Not allowed to complain about the problems they face as white men. All this is allowed to fester. Most male shooters have a history of being bullied. Did any students or faculty come to there aid? What’s left. Suicide or revenge.
Billy Yank over 6 years ago
While black Americans and other non-Caucasian Americans continue to have significant problems in our society, exclusion from the ranks of perpetrators of criminal homicides is not one of them. News reports are not a reliable basis for statistical claims.
Yammo Premium Member over 6 years ago
Wow, that strip was racist and ignorant. Black males shoot down thousands of innocent folk in the streets yearly. Same goes for Hispanic gang members. The murders committed by white males in this country (especially given the proportions) pales in comparison. Wiley, you are a new kind of self-destructive moron.
JonathanSmith over 6 years ago
Ummm Orlando Pulse shooter? San Bernadino shooter?DC Sniper?Any weekend in Chicago with black gang violence?Racism goes both ways.
gsteele531 over 6 years ago
Wow! I was not aware that dead people cared how they died – in a shooting or a mass shooting. Seems to me if I were dead, I’d be pretty pissed about the dead part, and not so much about how many came along with me. And if you look at homicides in inner cities like Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Chicago, and on and on, you will note that – unfortunately for the undertone of the cartoon above – vastly more people are murdered in a typical day than are murdered in the typical “mass murder” (over 3 people), which only happens every few months. Of course, it’s mostly black people killed by other blacks, so that’s the 3rd rail of political correctness, and it seems that no one really cares about the assembly-line daily mayhem of the black community; only about white. male. AR-15. shooting. Do I have it right there? So why do dead people care so much about the latter, and not so much about the former? Anyone want to mansplain that to me?
washatkc over 6 years ago
Lol. You lefty white guilt pukes crack me up. Ignore the facts. White peoples should just shoot themselves right Wiley. God you pukes are idiots. Get an education and learn the facts asswipes.
gsteele531 over 5 years ago
Yeah, white men. Unless, of course, you count the carnage in every major Democrat-run city.