In fact, a quick search of the (on-disk) dictionary shows that it’s E before I more than half the time. Even if you restrict it to moderately common words. Yet another proof that everything you need to know, you learned in Kindergarten (which was way before they lied to you about spelling).
Pastis passes my first desire of any art or artist and that is they use their voice to convey a point that at least has some purpose and at best has a point! Thanks Mr P!
It goes back to the Tudor era. While the French crown created a famous academy to standardize spelling, English relied on consensus, a system that resulted in lots of irregularities…
I was on academic probation because I failed, many times, the ‘dumbbell’ english spelling examination in college. The dean of engineering had the english department give me an exemption. Tank Gud!
Or when sounded as a as in neighbour or weigh. Of course, as a Canadian, I put a u in neighbour. I don’t think that Americans do that. Down the rabbit hole of spelling we go! Also, autocorrect sucks.
These rules, of course, are simply aids in helping sort out what is impossible to sort. Because English is so mixed up and is mostly exceptions, all a so-called rule can do is point to a probably good spelling. Sort of, “Try this first.” I think we expect too much from “rules”.
“Do or do not. There is no try.” …“You must unlearn what you have learned.” …“Named must be your fear before banish it you can.” …“Fear is the path to the dark side. …“That is why you fail.” …“The greatest teacher, failure is.” …“Pass on what you have learned.”
Yadoofus. It’s: I before E except after C, or when sounded like “a”, as in “neighbor” and “weigh”. Fine to criticize rules when they’re wrong, not so fine when they’re only wrong because you changed them.
Thank God for the English language. If it was a ‘normal’ language, not derived from a melting pot, Grammar Nazis like me would be out of a job. And George Carlin would’ve lost 2/3 of his material.
English is the hardest language to figure out, I gotta give ’em that. Even so, I hate to see it butchered by people who should know better, I can be a real Rat about it.
I learned “I before E, except after C, or when sounding like A, as in neighbor or weigh.” I know there’s exceptions even to that, but you get closer if you learn the second part of the rhyme =D
I before E except after C, except…when weird atheist science societies, seeing eight beige reindeer heifers reign and neigh, and sufficiently efficient albeit bouncier species, seize their ancient fallacies of deintellectualized deities agreeing to forfeit the reins, while heir Keith inveigles to reinforce or reinvent a surfeit of fancier, juicier, counterfeit caffeine freight weighing eight glaciers, herein a feint.
No fallacies here at all. He forgot the rest of the poem “except when sounded as “a” as in neighbor and weigh.” The words he is calling a fallacy follow the rules precisely even “receipt” which has a c in it.
I before e, except after cOr when sounded as ‘a’ as in ‘neighbor’ and ‘weigh’Unless the ‘c’ is part of a ‘sh’ sound as in ‘glacier’Or it appears in comparatives and superlatives like ‘fancier’And also except when the vowels are sounded as ‘e’ as in ‘seize’Or ‘i’ as in ‘height’Or also in ‘-ing’ inflections ending in ‘-e’ as in ‘cueing’Or in compound words as in ‘albeit’Or occasionally in technical words with strong etymological links to their parent languages as in ‘cuneiform’Or in other numerous and random exceptions such as ‘science’, ‘forfeit’, and ‘weird’.
i before e except after c, or when sounded as “a”, as in neighbor or weigh. Or if the word comes from the French, or some other invader. Don’t trust spellcheck, either.
I before E except when your feisty foreign neighbor Keith leisurely receives eight counterfeit beige sleighs from caffeinated atheist weightlifters…A pretty weird rule if you ask me.
This is a common and very irritating myth. The actual rule is “I before E, except after C, when rhyming with ‘key’.” There are only two or three words in the entire English language which break it.
“I before E except after C, or when sounded like A as in neighbor or weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May and you’ll always be wrong no matter what you say!”-Brian Reagen
BE THIS GUY almost 4 years ago
Just be grateful for autocorrect.
Aldew Yellowson almost 4 years ago
This is why you should never ask for the receipt when buying stuff.
BasilBruce almost 4 years ago
I wonder how many people today’s joke zoomed over the heads of.
MathProf2 almost 4 years ago
You mean of course that you wonder over how many people’s heads today’s joke zoomed.
Futabakun Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Not fallacies… exceptions. Every rule has them.
tudza Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I’m going to have to parse that a couple times to see if there’s a joke. Right now I’m stuck on, “It’s a spelling rule, not a grammar rule.”
tudza Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Oh, and don’t try to teach your grammar to suck eggs.
wiatr almost 4 years ago
Generally speaking I get spelling right more often that MS’s little red lines under my words. I was a spelling champion of my school back in 1961.
Bilan almost 4 years ago
First we’re inundated with puns, and now decade-old jokes. Uh-oh.
Robin Harwood almost 4 years ago
The rule works pretty well when the sound is “ee”. Here’s a more precise, but harder to remember, rule:http://www.steve.wagar.com/ibeforee.htm
Concretionist almost 4 years ago
In fact, a quick search of the (on-disk) dictionary shows that it’s E before I more than half the time. Even if you restrict it to moderately common words. Yet another proof that everything you need to know, you learned in Kindergarten (which was way before they lied to you about spelling).
ronaldspence almost 4 years ago
Pastis passes my first desire of any art or artist and that is they use their voice to convey a point that at least has some purpose and at best has a point! Thanks Mr P!
Katsuro Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Very, very nicely done, Mr. Pastis.
blunebottle almost 4 years ago
Clever.
Johnny Q Premium Member almost 4 years ago
It goes back to the Tudor era. While the French crown created a famous academy to standardize spelling, English relied on consensus, a system that resulted in lots of irregularities…
Algolei I almost 4 years ago
It’s less of a rule and more of a suggestion, really.
Kind&Kinder almost 4 years ago
Not to worry about English having any science connected to its development; like Topsy, it just growed!
Zykoic almost 4 years ago
I was on academic probation because I failed, many times, the ‘dumbbell’ english spelling examination in college. The dean of engineering had the english department give me an exemption. Tank Gud!
Piet almost 4 years ago
The full rule that actually catches more exceptions is — “I before E except after C or when sounded like A as in neighbor or weigh.“
Leslie Booyse almost 4 years ago
The rule ONLY applies when the sound is like “ee”. As in belIEve, and recEIve. The exception is sEIze. Remember it. It will save you many tears.
jewlie almost 4 years ago
Or when sounded as a as in neighbour or weigh. Of course, as a Canadian, I put a u in neighbour. I don’t think that Americans do that. Down the rabbit hole of spelling we go! Also, autocorrect sucks.
A Common 'tator almost 4 years ago
My autocorrect won’t accept GoComics, even on their website…
iggyman almost 4 years ago
“Or when sounded like “A” such as Neighbor or weigh"
cornshell almost 4 years ago
If there are bad words to end sentences with, linking verbs are.
Gent almost 4 years ago
I is always has a hard times understanding Englees.
Major Matt Mason Premium Member almost 4 years ago
“Heh, heh, he said phallus.”
Zoturdley Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Mr. Pastis, very clever one today.
Procat Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Would rat be considered conceited?
Plumbob Wilson almost 4 years ago
How come the comics censor didn’t gig him for “fallacies”?
Byron Spears almost 4 years ago
Seize him, guards!
Martin.lemoine almost 4 years ago
…Except sounding “Ay” as in neighbor or weigh.
wrd2255 almost 4 years ago
Don’t get Stefan started on Bible contradictions :-)
Zebrastripes almost 4 years ago
There, their, they’re ……
ekw555 almost 4 years ago
well, there is a 2nd part to the I before E, except after C.“unless it sounds like an A, as in neighbor and weigh”
cdward almost 4 years ago
These rules, of course, are simply aids in helping sort out what is impossible to sort. Because English is so mixed up and is mostly exceptions, all a so-called rule can do is point to a probably good spelling. Sort of, “Try this first.” I think we expect too much from “rules”.
redback almost 4 years ago
Stocky One almost 4 years ago
Absolutely brilliant!
Jeffin Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Ed, you Kay Chanel.
ZachOWott almost 4 years ago
He even throws in one in the last panel, nice
bigplayray almost 4 years ago
I live for live concerts!
brit-ed almost 4 years ago
The English language is fun; like trying to rhyme plough, though, through, tough etc.
rhpii almost 4 years ago
At least it’s not a pun.
steverinoCT almost 4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duqlZXiIZqA
kimodb Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I can’t wait for the lie/lay lesson!
Ellis97 almost 4 years ago
Silent letters. What’re you gonna do?
William Thorneloe Premium Member almost 4 years ago
The best daily cartoon in months. It took me a few minutes to get it. When do we get the Duck Insurrection?
Reader almost 4 years ago
Weird indeed.
Otis Rufus Driftwood almost 4 years ago
At least Pastis is being educational.
gigagrouch almost 4 years ago
or when sounded like “A” as in “Neighbour” or “Weigh”
uniquename almost 4 years ago
Rules are made to be broken.
Call me Ishmael almost 4 years ago
“Their’s” no ceiling to it, is their? Autocorrect didn’t pick that up..
Call me Ishmael almost 4 years ago
Oy veigh!
Clare Kelm Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Your 9th grade English teacher says, “Yay, Stephan!”
lotsalaffs Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Pastis, do you ever sleep? lol
aphasia219 almost 4 years ago
Yadoofus. It’s: I before E except after C, or when sounded like “a”, as in “neighbor” and “weigh”. Fine to criticize rules when they’re wrong, not so fine when they’re only wrong because you changed them.
stamps almost 4 years ago
I tried to use autocorrect to drive my car. I ended up in the C.
Flossie Mud Duck almost 4 years ago
Very nice.
Lee26 Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Thank God for the English language. If it was a ‘normal’ language, not derived from a melting pot, Grammar Nazis like me would be out of a job. And George Carlin would’ve lost 2/3 of his material.
Thinkingblade almost 4 years ago
I had to check … the rules of English grammar date back to the 16th century, so that counts as ancient.
WCraft Premium Member almost 4 years ago
There is an exception to every rule – and the exception to the aforementioned rule would be “no exception.”
Omniman almost 4 years ago
The problem is that English has so many words that come from other languages, and are therefore governed by different spelling rules.
mitchel.farr almost 4 years ago
you did not complete the rule, you left our “and in such words as neighbor and weigh.”
Ermine Notyours almost 4 years ago
It makes more sense (maybe) with Charlie Brown, Linus and Snoopy.
https://youtu.be/hSHkBtmkeNg
Snoots almost 4 years ago
OH he soooo missed the chance to spell the last word falleceis".
lv2sew almost 4 years ago
Bravo!!!
I Go Pogo almost 4 years ago
And this is exactly why I liked math and hated English classes. It is or it isn’t.
Caldonia almost 4 years ago
English is the hardest language to figure out, I gotta give ’em that. Even so, I hate to see it butchered by people who should know better, I can be a real Rat about it.
willie_mctell almost 4 years ago
Words came long before spelling. Retrofits like that are always a kludge.
notinksanymore almost 4 years ago
I learned “I before E, except after C, or when sounding like A, as in neighbor or weigh.” I know there’s exceptions even to that, but you get closer if you learn the second part of the rhyme =D
SiteeSatee Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I before E except after C, except…when weird atheist science societies, seeing eight beige reindeer heifers reign and neigh, and sufficiently efficient albeit bouncier species, seize their ancient fallacies of deintellectualized deities agreeing to forfeit the reins, while heir Keith inveigles to reinforce or reinvent a surfeit of fancier, juicier, counterfeit caffeine freight weighing eight glaciers, herein a feint.
Timothy Abraham Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I was taught I before E except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor or weigh.
slbolfing almost 4 years ago
left out "or when sounded like “a” as in “neighbor” or “weigh” (that’s the way I was taught it)
Ka`ōnōhi`ula`okahōkūmiomio`ehiku Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Mr. @StevenPastis : Spelling – A+
Cozmik Cowboy almost 4 years ago
When, as a child, I pointed out things like this, the teachers would invariably say “It’s the exception that proves the rule”.
Even as a 9 year old, I thought that was the stupidest thing I’d ever heard; an exception doesn’t “prove” a rule – it proves the “rule” is bogus.
Lori Wall Premium Member almost 4 years ago
No fallacies here at all. He forgot the rest of the poem “except when sounded as “a” as in neighbor and weigh.” The words he is calling a fallacy follow the rules precisely even “receipt” which has a c in it.
foxmike6513 Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Brilliant
zeexenon almost 4 years ago
An inventors creation to trigger corrective comments and drive us apart in cases we fully understand what they actually mean.
Charlie Tuba almost 4 years ago
Stupid (spelling) rules!
Charlie Tuba almost 4 years ago
https://youtu.be/qsIiQJZk3xE
BobR almost 4 years ago
Last century the rule was "i before e except after c or when sounded like a as in neighbor or weigh.
briangj2 almost 4 years ago
I before e, except after cOr when sounded as ‘a’ as in ‘neighbor’ and ‘weigh’Unless the ‘c’ is part of a ‘sh’ sound as in ‘glacier’Or it appears in comparatives and superlatives like ‘fancier’And also except when the vowels are sounded as ‘e’ as in ‘seize’Or ‘i’ as in ‘height’Or also in ‘-ing’ inflections ending in ‘-e’ as in ‘cueing’Or in compound words as in ‘albeit’Or occasionally in technical words with strong etymological links to their parent languages as in ‘cuneiform’Or in other numerous and random exceptions such as ‘science’, ‘forfeit’, and ‘weird’.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/i-before-e-except-after-c
bruno113 almost 4 years ago
I love this! Wish I could memorize that sentence to use next time I have this same discussion.
WilliamDoerfler almost 4 years ago
Pastis is more intelligent than I realized.
Grover St. Clair almost 4 years ago
Some find English difficult, although I find it easy to plough through rough thoughts.
harebell almost 4 years ago
i before e except after c, or when sounded as “a”, as in neighbor or weigh. Or if the word comes from the French, or some other invader. Don’t trust spellcheck, either.
harebell almost 4 years ago
200 comments. Serves you right, Stephan.
rick92040 almost 4 years ago
I’m glad I never learned to spell.
ItaliaNicholas almost 4 years ago
Yes- fallaCIes
Pgalden1 Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Oh gods help me…I Love this :D
MDRiggs Premium Member almost 4 years ago
What a weird strip.
bunrabbit99 almost 4 years ago
english majors everywhere applaud you!
Rand al'Thor almost 4 years ago
“Neither financier nor foreigner seizes weird leisure at it’s height.”
A mnemonic taught in high school.
Sisyphos almost 4 years ago
Pugnacious Pastis strikes again, and English loses. Cartoon-Boy has weaponized his alter ego, Rat!
oakie817 almost 4 years ago
I before E except when your feisty foreign neighbor Keith leisurely receives eight counterfeit beige sleighs from caffeinated atheist weightlifters…A pretty weird rule if you ask me.
Treehggr87 Premium Member almost 4 years ago
We’re not worthy (bow and bow again)
Claire Jordan almost 4 years ago
This is a common and very irritating myth. The actual rule is “I before E, except after C, when rhyming with ‘key’.” There are only two or three words in the entire English language which break it.
KevDoneIt almost 4 years ago
Also, the s in storm should not be pronounced like sh. Are you sure? How about sugar??
Paul Go Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Society is to blame.
jdbligh almost 4 years ago
Neighbour.
Goat almost 4 years ago
At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what was the punchline here?
Swirls Before Pine almost 4 years ago
I just leave after eating shoots.
Unnamed Reader almost 4 years ago
“I before E except after C, or when sounded like A as in neighbor or weigh, and on weekends and holidays and all throughout May and you’ll always be wrong no matter what you say!”-Brian Reagen
rzander906 almost 4 years ago
lets leaf autocorect out of this
WDD almost 4 years ago
“If the “c” you spy,put the “e” before the “i”.If you don’t spy the “c”,put the “i” before the “e”."Do you beleive that, freind?
lummysdad almost 4 years ago
My son Keith disagrees.
PBS1! over 3 years ago
Um, I before E,,, always?