Back in my day, the thing we used was Encyclopedia Britannica. One time my Socials teacher gave us an assignment and chided us not to use it as she would surely detect it and give us a failing grade. I did my entire paper from EB, just paraphrasing everything, fudged a bibliography- and got an “A”. In your face, teach!
When I studied Western Civ in college, the teacher based her tests on her lectures, not the textbook. At the end of each class, my right hand and wrist ached from all the note writing. I managed to pull down a 4.0 in her class and get carpal tunnel syndrome at the same time.
His grade was for originality. I often passed a paper because of that. Not an A but at least passing. And not on tests or exams. Those had to be tight.
An early science fiction book, in my youth, had a kid showing off that 2 X 2 was always 4; and proved it with his computer. The other kids were amazed but didn’t understand, and decided it was some kind of trick.
I remember when I was a kid writing up a report about JFK, and I copied word for word an article out of Life magazine. My mom read it and I was busted cuz there were words in the article that she knew I wasn’t familiar with. Ya think I woulda at least had the sense to dumb it down a bit… Lol!
I remember, in the fifth grade(+/-), there was a kid in the class, and when he read his work aloud, it would be obvious he just copied it verbatim. That was because he included every single word. Like “example 2:” or “see appendix VII”.I have no idea why he did that. I wondered, still do. But I wasn’t willing to ask him.
Back when I was at college – we had an assignment to write a simple computer program, all but one managed to write in so it fitted on a single A4 sheet, one guy handed in a something that was 20 pages long.
My experience with AI based chat-bots is running about 2 for 12. Only twice, and for extremely simple requests, have chat-bots been able to answer my question. All of the remaining instances I have had to go find a human to get what I needed. I am not yet impressed with what AI is supposed to be able to do.
I asked ChatGPT to write a short story about 8 sea turtles that go on an adventure. The story was to be a birthday gift for my 8 year old granddaughter. She loves turtles. In 2 seconds we had a very cute story. I garnished it with images of sea turtles that I copied from various sources. She loves it.Yes, Gramps is guilty of exploiting technology.
I think the ancient tradition of oral recitation and examination is likely to make a comeback. And I don’t mean reading your paper aloud, or reading your PowerPoint slides off the screen. I mean standing up there and delivering a five-minute oral presentation with nothing to help you—no notes, no outline, no AV’s, nothing. I will let you use a whiteboard, which starts out dead blank, and as many colors of markers as you like. After the presentation, you respond to questions from the teacher and from the class for another five minutes. It’ll be just you and the hard-won knowledge that lives in your brain because you studied it, you learned it, and now you know it. I’ll put no holds barred on how you learn it. In fact, in my classroom, the more ways you went at it—texts, videos, AI, interviews, you-name-it—the better grade you’ll get, provided you can stand up in front of the class and demonstrate what you’ve learned. Yes, this will be very hard for some students, perhaps impossible for some, in which case I’ll figure out accomdations and extra resources. When the schooling is done, my students will be able to use their minds and make their voices heard in just about any situation they may find themselves in. In some ways, they’ll be wonderfully dangerous people!
The company my sister works for has that annoying “evaluate your coworkers” thing. She just wrote down a few keywords for each and cranked them though ChatGPT. She said it worked well.
In my early 50’s I went back to school to get a Masters. One of the professors on the first day of class put up a chart and said, "This is the Final Exam. We will spend the rest of the semester learning the answers and how you can apply them in your business.
In the Masters of Executive Leadership program you had to be out of your undergraduate program for at least 5 yrs and in an executive position for at least 2 yrs. The average age of the students was late 30’s or early 40’s. Really interesting stuff.
Imagine 3 months ago
Probably on the second sentence.
Scorpio Premium Member 3 months ago
And had 17 incorrect statements by paragraph 3 and 1 outright fabrication
blunebottle 3 months ago
Back in my day, the thing we used was Encyclopedia Britannica. One time my Socials teacher gave us an assignment and chided us not to use it as she would surely detect it and give us a failing grade. I did my entire paper from EB, just paraphrasing everything, fudged a bibliography- and got an “A”. In your face, teach!
potfarmer 3 months ago
They ARE very small pages.
rockyridge1977 3 months ago
That was a lot of reading!!!!
Angry Indeed Premium Member 3 months ago
When I studied Western Civ in college, the teacher based her tests on her lectures, not the textbook. At the end of each class, my right hand and wrist ached from all the note writing. I managed to pull down a 4.0 in her class and get carpal tunnel syndrome at the same time.
sandpiper 3 months ago
His grade was for originality. I often passed a paper because of that. Not an A but at least passing. And not on tests or exams. Those had to be tight.
Strawberry King 3 months ago
Probably made him rewrite the whole thing.
JPuzzleWhiz 3 months ago
In this case, maybe it should be called Cheat GPT?
bobtoledo Premium Member 3 months ago
An early science fiction book, in my youth, had a kid showing off that 2 X 2 was always 4; and proved it with his computer. The other kids were amazed but didn’t understand, and decided it was some kind of trick.
wildlandwaters 3 months ago
I remember when I was a kid writing up a report about JFK, and I copied word for word an article out of Life magazine. My mom read it and I was busted cuz there were words in the article that she knew I wasn’t familiar with. Ya think I woulda at least had the sense to dumb it down a bit… Lol!
zeexenon 3 months ago
One must very carefully proofread the results … some lawyers didn’t and were Judged harshly.
William Bednar Premium Member 3 months ago
The trick is to write it all backwards! Teach will then really never know and give you an “A”!
ChazNCenTex 3 months ago
I remember, in the fifth grade(+/-), there was a kid in the class, and when he read his work aloud, it would be obvious he just copied it verbatim. That was because he included every single word. Like “example 2:” or “see appendix VII”.I have no idea why he did that. I wondered, still do. But I wasn’t willing to ask him.
John M 3 months ago
Back when I was at college – we had an assignment to write a simple computer program, all but one managed to write in so it fitted on a single A4 sheet, one guy handed in a something that was 20 pages long.
mindjob 3 months ago
It was on the first page when it began “It was a dark and stormy night”
TexTech 3 months ago
My experience with AI based chat-bots is running about 2 for 12. Only twice, and for extremely simple requests, have chat-bots been able to answer my question. All of the remaining instances I have had to go find a human to get what I needed. I am not yet impressed with what AI is supposed to be able to do.
Retrac Premium Member 3 months ago
I asked ChatGPT to write a short story about 8 sea turtles that go on an adventure. The story was to be a birthday gift for my 8 year old granddaughter. She loves turtles. In 2 seconds we had a very cute story. I garnished it with images of sea turtles that I copied from various sources. She loves it.Yes, Gramps is guilty of exploiting technology.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace 3 months ago
This is why people under oath are advised to only answer the question posed, without elaboration.
rugeirn 3 months ago
I think the ancient tradition of oral recitation and examination is likely to make a comeback. And I don’t mean reading your paper aloud, or reading your PowerPoint slides off the screen. I mean standing up there and delivering a five-minute oral presentation with nothing to help you—no notes, no outline, no AV’s, nothing. I will let you use a whiteboard, which starts out dead blank, and as many colors of markers as you like. After the presentation, you respond to questions from the teacher and from the class for another five minutes. It’ll be just you and the hard-won knowledge that lives in your brain because you studied it, you learned it, and now you know it. I’ll put no holds barred on how you learn it. In fact, in my classroom, the more ways you went at it—texts, videos, AI, interviews, you-name-it—the better grade you’ll get, provided you can stand up in front of the class and demonstrate what you’ve learned. Yes, this will be very hard for some students, perhaps impossible for some, in which case I’ll figure out accomdations and extra resources. When the schooling is done, my students will be able to use their minds and make their voices heard in just about any situation they may find themselves in. In some ways, they’ll be wonderfully dangerous people!
Brian Premium Member 3 months ago
The company my sister works for has that annoying “evaluate your coworkers” thing. She just wrote down a few keywords for each and cranked them though ChatGPT. She said it worked well.
Bruce1253 3 months ago
In my early 50’s I went back to school to get a Masters. One of the professors on the first day of class put up a chart and said, "This is the Final Exam. We will spend the rest of the semester learning the answers and how you can apply them in your business.
In the Masters of Executive Leadership program you had to be out of your undergraduate program for at least 5 yrs and in an executive position for at least 2 yrs. The average age of the students was late 30’s or early 40’s. Really interesting stuff.