Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for October 08, 2012

“Les americains ignorant à propos preliminaires.”

Ha ha….! too too funny & true…………

Perhaps mysticification is lost on jaded Parisians and spreads not so well. (Hint: compare Romney’s eyes with those of monseur.)

first, Monsieur, give up your mistress, your wine, and your cigarettes, and then we’ll get to the difficult part…

A elderly Mormon asked his doctor if he thought he’d live to be a hundred. The doctor asked the man, “Do you smoke or drink?” “No,” he replied, “I’ve never done either.” “Do you gamble, drive fast cars, and fool around with many women?” inquired the doctor. “No, I’ve never done any of those things either.” “Well then,” said the doctor, “what do you want to live to be a hundred for?”

I’m glad SOMEBODY finally brought this up! Also, he came home when he found out that Ann, his future wife, was dating other guys! At least he got his priorities straight!

I understand that Mitt Romney was reared in the LDS tradition, which includes a sordid tradition of overt, institutional racism. As an adult, however, Mr. Romney is responsible for his own spiritual decisions. An apostle once known as Saul of Tarsus wrote, “When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways.” (I Corinthians 13:11, RSV)

Has Mr. Romney ever publicly addressed why he maintained his childhood affiliation with, and even took leadership roles in, a church which, until Mitt’s thirty-second year of life, excluded blacks from its priesthood?

And have those Republicans who in 2008 made much to do about the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s sermons ever taken Mr. Romney to task about his church’s racist history?

Merde.

Obama was only 14 when the Vietnam War ended. Sort of hard to dodge that draft!

And from what I’ve heard, der Mitt never managed, in his 2 years of proletizing, to convert a single Frenchman(or woman) over to the Mormons. I can’t imagine his record as President would be much better.

“And while we’re at it, we get to live in your house now, bye,” what with this being Columbus day & all. I wonder whether Trudeau was inspired by that toon to make this one.

Under LDS church law, will Romney’s duties to proselytize extend into his Presidential years 2012-2016 (should, heaven forfend, he win election)? Or if he still does bear such a burden, will the Mormon leadership grant him an exemption?

I wonder if Trudeau has the guts to make fun of Islam? We shall see…

Not in the president’s personal life He can pray over his veto pen all he wants. It’s known as the “free exercise” clause.

About time that Romney’s draft dodging is brought up. I was drafted, not Romney. If he had a ‘religious exemption’ he should have had a religious future – but he dropped that occupation as soon as the draft ended.

Obama didn’t demonstrate in favor of a war he ducked out of fighting.

maybe monsieur would have wanted to try on some magic underwear

Smith’s Witnesses.

zut, alors.

wow! so you are going to go there? why don’t you pick on the Amish or priest or pastors next for getting war deferments? this is probably the lowest thing I have seen GT do.

The entire issue of Romney’s beliefs has been completely glossed over in this campaign season. Should the POTUS be a person whose mind is rational and based on reality? Is this important? If a person came up to you on the street and told you that the underwear he was wearing was magical and protected him from evil spirits, would you judge that person to be sane or rational? If someone you met at a party started going on that he was a follower of an angel named “Moroni” would you jokingly ask him if he was referring to Bony Moroni from the old rock and roll song? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroni_(Book_of_Mormon_prophet). If you had a coworker who revealed to you that she was going to be baptizing dead people after work, would you edge away from her or roll your eyes or call 911? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/16/mitt-romney-on-mormon-baptisms-of-the-dead-i-haven-t-recently.html Yet these are just a few of the nutty things Romney believes in. The worst part of it is, (and this comes from friends that left the Mormon church who were inside it for many years, trying desperately to please their parents by baptizing dead people and going on missions, so it’s not something I’m making up), the worst part of it is and I quote an email from them: “And here’s the kicker. They (the voters) don’t know about this stuff – the underwear, the temple promises that the Mormon church comes first in Romney’s life. If the LDS prophet were to hear some mandate from God and tell it to the Mormon people, Romney would HAVE to obey it, even as president. That’s huge!” If you think that a President doesn’t need his feet grounded in reality and would vote for a Scientologist or a Voodoo worshipper, then go ahead, take a chance. I’m voting for the candidate who knows that his underwear is just underwear.

Although Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was of conscription age during the Vietnam War, he neither was drafted for nor enlisted in the U.S. armed forces at that time. He received a total of four draft deferments between 1965 and 1970, three for academic studies (i.e., student deferments) and one for serving as a ‘minister of religion’ while performing Mormon missionary work in France. By the time his deferments ended, Mitt Romney’s birth date had been drawn at number 300 in the Selective Service lottery; since the highest lottery number called for that group was 195, Romney was not drafted into the service.(from snopes)

question: how do you keep a mormon from drinking all of your beer and smoking all of your cigarettes when you go fishing?answer: bring along another mormon.

What branch of the service was he in?……

It is one thing to oppose the war and not go! But Mitt was in favor of it! And instead he went to Bordeaux and tried to get folks to give up their wine and go for Mormonism…sacre bleu et zut alors!

“Ya know Rush Limbaugh blames liberals for loosing “Nam”!”

maybe if he had gotten up off of his anal cysts and enlisted things might have gone differently

GT isn’t going to pick on the priests and others because they didn’t support the war in Vietnam. If they had supported the war and yet didn’t go, then yes, that would be called into question…

Way too many chicken hawks in the world

Awesome!

Obama was certainly too young to go to Vietnam. He is a couple years younger than me and I would have also been too young. My bro was 13 years older and he went. He is a Democrat. My bro who is 10 years older didn’t go. He is now a big Republican, Rush ditto head, as these things so often go.

Rush blames the liberals for his bad breath and hemorrhoids.

How does one send this strip to Facebook?

This toon seems kinda like a desperate low blow… You could make the chicken-hawk statement without denigrating the religion

Let’s wait and see if Mr Trudeau similarly attacks “other” religions that do not take kindly to insults.

What a selfless fellow Mitt must be. Why, I just have to vote for him for president. Bwahahahahahahaha

There was no draft when he turned 18 and he never enlisted in any service. Do you have a problem with that?

Dirty, disgusting and desperate.

I would describe this strip as truthful, informative and real.

Obama’s Family Doc. sent a letter to the draft board in 1968 certifying that Barrack was only six years old, he was given an age deferment. The draft was ended when he was eleven years old so he was never drafted.

The draft policies were in a state of flux in 1968, more interesting is the following question. At the end of Romney’s mission, did his draft classification change back to 1A? I attended collage with significant number or return missionaries and those who were not from the heavily Mormon states (Utah, Idaho, and Arizona) were able to retain their draft exempt status and clergy, 1Y is the classification memory provides for the Clergy.

Why can’t we just read the comics for some smile relief and let the politicians take care of their own business. I d not care what party you are for or against, especially not the author, I just wanta relax.

Ahh yes, just love the liberal Hypocrites, God help a conservative who attacks someone’s faith.

Eeeewwwww…..

I could see this strip with this subject line coming from a mile away! The fact that Romney is running for prez is the reason it is relevant to talk about his past, but the fact that he was a Mormon trying to convert folks in France instead of going to Vietnam even though he protested FOR the war, well the imagery is just too incroyable…

No— GT is NOT firing a cheap shot here. If he had not been a huge supporter of the war, that may have been one thing. I am afraid those who think GT is just firing a cheap shot here are really missing the salient point here… Per usual, the right wants to have it both ways.

Wowza! 76 comments as of this posting. And yet no racist troll has emerged yet attacking our President on the faux basis of his being a socialist or a communist or a Marxist or an Islamist or a “dingbatist” (my personal favorite!), or having “big ears” or having been born in Kenya and thus disqualified to be “the leader of the free world” or . . . . Wowza!πOh, wait! Is that a troll booth just ahead? (Key in the “Twilight Zone” music.)

Well, looks like this strip has finally bottomed out…and look at all the comments from people who obviously know nothing about Mormonism expressing their tolerance and belief in equality for everyone.

Sure are a s—-load of leftist Obamists here today.

It didn’t involve publicly demanding that other people go sacrifice their lives for what he wouldn’t.

And there will be a load of us going to vote for Obama and/or against Romney in November…

Okay, okay, so there’s a rule here against feeding the trolls. But is there a corollary against BAITING them? If so I plead guilty as health.

Mitt Romney is in the priesthood of the LDS. This means a lot more than being a “practicing Catholic”. Mitt could be excommunicated from the church for doing something that the LDS did not like. Take a look at the political leaders in Utah, the LDS effectively runs them.

I have never supported Obama, but I question why the Republican party would ever run Mitt for president, other than the fact he is squeeky clean in the his morals.

Many of our most effective political leaders have had mistresses, this is not a bad thing in my book.

While in France Mitt was in charge of 200 Mormon Missionaries while his Mission President recovered in the hospital from an automobile accident. While he acted as Mission President, the French Mission attained unprecedented success in convert baptisms. I later met some of these people when they came to Northern California in the US.

What was Obama doing at the same time in his life? Smoking Toke with his buds and trying to figure himself out.

What a contrast!

Nice try Garry. Your empty suit is still going to lose.

Catholics can be excommunicated as well, and many have been. Also, as I said before, many have left the Catholic Church due to various conflicts.

So funny!!

Damn. Trudeau’s still the best.

Exact wording of religion part of Amendment 1: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, the war that Romney supported but did not serve in. We should never forget this. We were losing a lot of lives during the Vietnam conflict. Few did not know someone who lost someone during that conflict. Those of us who lived through that era will never forget that time. We can’t give Romney a pass on this.

“… in this beer-fest of yelling ignoramuses.”πThat’s “ignorami” 2 U, unc.

Strange that nobody seems to have commented on the different lifestyles of the French chap and Mitt Romney. Does this mean that society is better off with self-indulging smokers who enjoy a “bit on the side” than non-smoking, non-drinking, non-serial marriages? Strange that no comics, political or otherwise, ever seem to broach the subject of STD, HIV, etc., as of there are no consequences to any action.

Love the expression on the face of the man behind Romney.

Has anyone noticed that the Frenchman looks very much like Serge Gainsbourg?

It is about time the Morman issue comes up. How about his own planet, magic underwear,how many wives in the next life,Jesus in North America, Adam and Eve in Missouri ETC, ETC.

I am appalled at the bigotry, hypocrisy and hate that comes from the left. If someone doesn’t like Mr Obama then they MUST be a racist. Everyone wants to paint Romney as a nut case or greedy and soulless corporate job killer. Mr Romney is the same religion as Sen. Harry Reid. The LDS religion does not issue edicts to their faithful who are in politics. We of the church urge members to pray and vote their beliefs as they see them. The church presidency does not now, nor has in recent memory, issue directives to the actions of politicians who happen to be LDS. If they did,would they not all be the same party?With all the screw-ups this administration has made over the last four years, and the lack of basic knowledge about Mr Obama in the first place, why can we not question his abilities and backgroun?. The same can he said about your child dating someone you don’t know If you are a good parent you will want to know if they are good people and safe. And, that is before you meet them, usually, not after..

You back on that again? I thought that was resolved several days ago. Please, forgive me for being a sceptic. Still doesn’t make me a racist. I definately don’t like Al Gore and he’s pure whitebread and from Tennesee. You have really got to get off this rave/troll baiting thing. Usually that designates a troll of the first order.Or are you just a master-baiter?

This meandered so far out into left field the crop duster is having trouble finding it.

“You back on [the birther issue] again? I thought that was resolved several days ago.”πNice ducking, dodging and weaving, John. Just answer the simple question: Was Barack Obama born in Kenya? Or was he born in Hawaii?

In any case, he isn’t really a Mormon, he only worships Mammon.

So, you’re a mindreader, too?

“I am reading “Dreams From My Father” now. Per this book, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii after Ann met Barack, Sr at the University of Hawaii. Until this proven to be different, I accept the evidence given.”πThank you, John.

Attack Romney, attack is political views, his “vision”, but NOT the Mormons? It is easy and cheap. Any and every religion can be mocked. Very disappointing!

Presumably those who are now attacking Mitt for avoiding the draft also attacked Bill Clinton who dodged the draft? (I was drafted)

Mitt Romney has never repudiated his church for its institutional racism. Again he was 31 years old when the priesthood ban for blacks was lifted. What if former Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd, who for many years stood third in the line of presidential succession, had never repudiated the KKK?

I do claim that many of the right are all of those things, but the discussion,at the time was about the left and their denial of racism.I think Limbaugh and much of his crowd of lapdogs are nothig more than blabbermouth idiots. These folks couldn’t do an honest day’s work if it were a matter of life and death.

Hey Dylan. One question. Don’t you think that if Obama were born in Kenya that Bush’s Secret Service or Bush’s Justice Department or Homeland Security, etc, Would have figured it out? Background checks are mandatory. They can’t all be incompetent, and what would that say if they were?

“Evil in [in the package of Obama is] a nicer package than Romney.”πI really don’t like to use the word “evil” in either case. I think Romney is genuinely mystified by his religion, and I do think it will affect his presidency if he is elected. But there are enough checks and balances in our system to prevent the LDS from ruling us and the world. If the US ever becomes a theocracy, then God help us!

Oh great Mormon bashing, by Friday Trudeau ought to have some Romney Elder behind the Mountain Meadows massacre, the worst terrorist attack against white people In the U S before 9/11.

Elder Mitt is singing “I believe that God lives on a planet called Kolom I believe that Jesus has His own planet as well And I believe that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri”

“W” fled to Alabama. MItt fled to Paris. Both to avoid ’Nam.

Today, Mitt has the GALL, to bring up “lead from behind”, and accuse Obama, in front of a VMI (Virginia MIlitary Institute- for morons) audience!!! He should have said, “I’ll take Paris, and you kids can be my cannon fodder”. Disgusting speech, totally.

I think people are missing the point saying GT is Mormon bashing – GT is drawing attention to the fact Rmoney demonstrated in favour of the Vietnam war, but also avoided serving in it. That his Mormon religious servce deferment was part of that just makes for a much better comic than having him sitting in an ivy league dorm studying, or critiquing other student’s hairstyles ;)

JFK told the American people in 1960 that he would NOT follow orders from the Pope. Romney NEVER said that about the head of his church. And Kennedy wasn’t a member of his church’s clergy, which Romney is!

“If you don’t want your beliefs ridiculed, don’t profess ridiculous beliefs.”

6000 year-old universe, talking snake, magic underwear, 72 virgins, Xenu. Oh, wait, am I offending someone?

I’ll say this for Mitt…Between “Bringing Freedom to the Vietnamese” and “Bringing Mormonism to the French,” he didn’t flinch from tougher challenge.

Am I a radical in your opinion?

I think a lot of folks expect too much from their leaders really. I think FDR was a great prez, but I know that he had his faults, he was only human. And I don’t just mean that he had faults in terms of his personal life either. The rounding up of Asian Americans during WWII, was a shameful thing for him to do. At the same time, he saved us from the Great Depression and acted heroically during WWII. If he had lived, we might have gotten a national health care plan a long time ago…

“Who in her right mind would “relax” with that fugly blob???YECCCH!!!!”

To be fair, we don’t know what his mistress looks like. They may be well-matched.

One of my favorite politicians was a Mormon, Morris Udall. Of course, he had enough sense to leave the Church because of its racist policies and then rejoined it after they changed the policies.

If we could only have lost him, but not there since he didn’t fight it.

Uh, this is a “debate” that no one has engaged in, in that neither the media nor anyone else has pressed Mitt Romney on his church’s racist history while he was an active adult member thereof.

Again, if Robert Byrd, instead of repudiating the KKK, had maintained his Klan membership throughout his political career and merely expressed disapproval after the fact of their history of lynchings and terrorism, would he have ever been elected President Pro Tempore of the U. S. Senate?

I suspect that this helps to explain why Republican men go apesh!t when their side loses a presidential election:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/opinion/sunday/is-america-man-enough-to-vote.html?_r=0

you should see HER!

RightIsReich, your racist mask is slipping.

..and perhaps this French chap recalls the St. Bartholemew’s Massacre, which drove my ancestors to Germany?

Romney “looks better” by America’s(not the World’s,though) aesthetic standards. But Obama’s RECORD looks very, very good.

Obama killed OBL.

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone on the “right” did so.[]I myself limited my complaints to matters concerning Obama’s proposals and track record.

Oh those wacky Mor(m)ons!

so, he was a draft dodger like many gop politicans, pundits, etc….cheney, rush, beck,…

Hey! There’re 223 postings here today! Wonder if that’s some kind of a record.

Wow 223 posts! I wonder if that is the most on this thread?

Funny to have the same thought simultaneously, though that does happen on this thread at times.

Stretching a little are we? Even the HuffPost’s account doesn’t imply the leap of faith (pun intended) that you imply, G.T. You can do better.

Not sure what is being stretched? By Romney’s own account, he went to France in 1968, which is what the strip shows here. It happens that many of us are also aware of what was going on in the world at that time, but GT doesn’t make any mention of it in this particular strip. Maybe some are projecting something because they don’t want others to reflect on —what was going on at that time. However, many of us were around at that time, and we won’t forget that period of time and what we went through during the Vietnam conflict.

I think this is one of the most brilliant strips I have ever seen. GT nailed it!

@GEE1A— Rush also blames “feminazis” for shrinking male anatomy. Can it get any nuttier?

DFTT

Limbaugh’s concerns bring to mind General Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, convinced that the Russkis were out to sap our precious bodily fluids.

Wow, LWP!

" It’s interest to notice only 1 of the Gospels talk about Jesus raising the dead, you would think such a thing would have been mentioned a bit more. It has been suggested that during the dark ages when it was forbidden for non clerical members to own a Bible that perhaps some monk somewhere felt Jesus needed a bit more spicing up and added the story and the church just accepted the addition due to feeling it was a good addition."

Actually (and interestingly, at least to some of us), the Jewish historian Josephus wrote that the raising of the dead was not at all uncommon among the Christians of the first century AD, after Jesus’ ascension. Josephus died in 100 AD. He was reporting on the news of his own day, and he was not a Christian, so this was not a “partisan” claim for his own group. If you like, I can find the exact reference for you, but not until tomorrow! Also please note that not only did Jesus raise three people who had “given up the ghost,” including himself, but Acts 9 records Peter’s raising of Dorcas.

One of the best ever! Garry must never leave us.