Luann by Greg Evans and Karen Evans for September 26, 2014
September 25, 2014
September 27, 2014
Transcript:
Luann: "What are you doing Brad?"
Brad: "Uh-being 13?"
Luann: "So you sprawl on the couch, munch snacks and watch tv? Don't you want to achieve something important in your life?"
Brad: "I believe I have."
And , thus we near the completion of our character set from the “Franklin Mint”… – The couch may have some change in it, but at this point and time, no change exists on the couch… – When they started to coin the word “vegetarian”, they originally had Brad in mind…
I would be more nearly interested in learning what, at age 18, Luann intends to accomplish in her own life. That’s why I wish this “Memory Book” week had been canned in favor of getting back to the Pitt CC campus. We still don’t know what course(s) she’s taking there.
“A Couched Answer”“Lounge Act”“A Loafer Short Of A Pair”“In A Pocket, Off The Cushions”“Static And Clinging”“Security Guard At The Bank Of Chaise”“Roots In The Cushions”“Mary Mary, Quite Sedentary”“Sofa, So Good”“The Ottoman Empire”
Too bad they didn’t have Double-stuffed Oreos then!!! Now that would have been a challenge! Well, have to say ‘Nite all…have to get up early to go into town. I also need to find IS Katie…she’s not in her usual place by my computer chair so that means she’s got her nose scoping out the biscuits I made for supper! =-O-———————————————————“We should look long and carefully at ourselves before we pass judgment on others.”(Moliere [J. -B. Poquelin], 1622-1673)
I don’t like this. I wish there were way to be notified when it is over.Somehow it just seems failure to try but not draw the characters as they was back when.
That’s strange to me, too. And people also think Gunther and Rosa should have such a serious commitment, and so should Luann and Quill. That’s a pretty old fashioned belief for modern kids!
Please don’t let this memory lane thing be dragged out like the Foggarty thing. By this time of day there are usually at least 60 or so comments, today at this time, barely 40. Please let us get back to current day, there are so many interesting things to get into.
I am a bit struck at being reminded that Brad is only three years older than Luann: that makes him only 21 in “the present,” with all his experience as a fireman and his courtship of Toni. I guess I sort of imagined him at least in his mid-twenties….
This week’s Memory Book page is for Age 10.*Next week’s could be for Age 11.*The following week could be for Age 12.*And we might eventually find out what all went on at prom night at Age 17!
“However, it’d be even more unbelievable if they hand drew those pictures”*RB: I too have been wondering about the book’s artwork. How could B & D, who purportedly made the book, know what Lu and Brad said at home alone?
We have established by the high school graduation and starting college story arcs (as well as the “18th birthday” reference in the memory book set-up panel) that Luann is 18.
Today’s strip establishes that Brad is three years older than Luann, so he is now 21.
So that means Brad, before age 21, became a firefighter and proposed marriage? That’s quite a stretch, even when we accept that comic strip timelines take longer than real life.
Actually, Dave, in this case, I would suggest that there was an inference of these being photographs because of the book Luann’s friends reference at the party earlier this week.
Greg has also used the term “reset” for them (especially in reference to their school year’s beginning). So, in effect (and agreement), he hasn’t given them an actual and specific time, more like an “abstract” time, which would also seem more adaptable for us in using our imagination in each arc, and not being stuck in literal and linear lines…
There was no “whitewashing”. Many TV shows and even some books do the same thing. Some places, it’s given “such and such” an age, date, place, time. Other times, it’s “dat, dat, dat”. And still another instance, it’s “X- y- z”. But centrally and integrally, the specific info is that the characters are “this way and that”. Some stories, the place they visit or live in changes, some have the ages change, for some, it’s what they do for a living, for some, what vehicle they drive changes. – It is a technique as old as telling stories, itself.
That’s known as a ret-con. And boy does it make it hard to suspend your belief. It’s the fault of the writer who keeps changing his characters’ backstory.
“It’s fluid in that Brad can either be 3 or 4 years older than Luann based on what season it is. Since Luann just turned 18, Brad is most definitely 21” ^Yeah…. that’s similar to what I was saying…
“Considering Luann JUST turned 18, Brad would be 21, or else Brad could not be 13 when Luann was 10.”-—————————————————-Considering that my reference ‘toon is 6 months into the strip, and it’s already established that Luann is 13 at the beginning of the strip.-—————————————-I know how birthday numbers are; my brothers and I are 16 months apart. From August 12 through 23, our ages lined up chronologically. Then my older brother’s birthday (the 23rd) would put it out of whack again,
“if you have to make a change because of an error or because the timeline doesn’t make sense, you stick with it.”^On an “as needed” or “case by case” basis. No rule that says that you have to ….or that such a rule has to exist.. or that each writer has to do what the others have done…– See “Chuck Cunningham” from Happy Days….. – Or also Carol Brady (previous marriage history) or the Ferengi or the Klingons (changing/changed customs/physical features/etc.)… -Or other books or cartoons, changed in each way as those writers saw fit… (excellent example in this regard, J.A.R.V.I.S. from “iron Man” franchise. Was live human butler in comics, changed, then changed again to “smart house/suit computer”)…
> I go after ones posting inflammatory nonsense to ruin the experience for the rest of us.>And you seem to consider any post that takes Greg Evans to task to be inflammatory nonsense.
Regardless of how much older Brad is supposed to be than Luann, it still doesn’t make sense for Luann to be taking her 13-year-old brother to task for lying on the couch, watching TV, and eating snacks. What does she expect him to be accomplishing? If anyone was going to be telling Brad that he was wasting his time, it should be Frank or Nancy, not Luann.
Besides, when Luann was 13, she didn’t accomplish anything more than Brad was doing at that age. There are a lot of strips from that era about Luann doing “nothing” (3/17/85, 4/6/85, 4/20/85, 6/26/85, 9/17/85, 10/21/85, 3/22/86, for example), and she wasn’t distinguishing herself academically, either (4/26/85, 6/10/85, 11/19/85, 2/24/86, for example).
Y’know something? The dentist’s office might as well have some cookies and snacks there. That way, we all will know, they’ll know that we know that they know, and don’t have to come up with excuses, any longer…
> But when someone consistently posts only negatively, that’s abuse.>Who is abused by that? How are they abused by that? I would say it’s somebody expressing a negative opinion, and being consistent about it.
And see? This is also “part and parcel” to what I’m saying. A story that’s supposed to be set in the Vietnam War, or the Civil War or another historical event, writers should :“tighten up” more! Even though the story may not be about those things, they still must be careful in those instances to make sure that all their background is straight. Those are the things that need accuracy…
“I came over as a paying customer.” ^Uh, I’d hate to tell you, but you’re not really paying.. – It’s true that our “hits and clicks” drive the business, but it don’t count as paying… cos no one is paying us to click here! The only money given and changing hands, is from the advertisers … they (and the syndicates publishing) are “footing the bill”…– And it’s not about “the right to give an opinion”. The point is: “the validity of continuity vs. change”… not “whether or not it’s okay to give an opinion”…..
Thanks, IJB, for the info on"Hydrox!". I don’t think I have ever had one! Did notice a link to “Carvel.” One time I was in Southern California and found a Carvel…oh, was their chocolate soft ice-cream sooo good! ;)
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
Heheheheh! ;)
Templo S.U.D. about 10 years ago
Ow, wow. The multi-decker Oreo cookie. How intriguing, Brad DeGroot.
JayBluE about 10 years ago
And , thus we near the completion of our character set from the “Franklin Mint”… – The couch may have some change in it, but at this point and time, no change exists on the couch… – When they started to coin the word “vegetarian”, they originally had Brad in mind…
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
So, Luann…what do you see as your desire to achieve? ;)
seismic-2 Premium Member about 10 years ago
I would be more nearly interested in learning what, at age 18, Luann intends to accomplish in her own life. That’s why I wish this “Memory Book” week had been canned in favor of getting back to the Pitt CC campus. We still don’t know what course(s) she’s taking there.
JayBluE about 10 years ago
“A Couched Answer”“Lounge Act”“A Loafer Short Of A Pair”“In A Pocket, Off The Cushions”“Static And Clinging”“Security Guard At The Bank Of Chaise”“Roots In The Cushions”“Mary Mary, Quite Sedentary”“Sofa, So Good”“The Ottoman Empire”
“Static Watching Static”
or“No Sofa Is An Island”
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
HA! I like “‘Roots In The Cushions’” soooooo typical of 13-year-old-males LOL! ;)
JayBluE about 10 years ago
Aw, she’s just playing “straight man”…er… “girl”… – In this gag, she’s the set-up, and Brad delivers the smash….. or rather, the “plop and the fizz”…
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
Too bad they didn’t have Double-stuffed Oreos then!!! Now that would have been a challenge! Well, have to say ‘Nite all…have to get up early to go into town. I also need to find IS Katie…she’s not in her usual place by my computer chair so that means she’s got her nose scoping out the biscuits I made for supper! =-O-———————————————————“We should look long and carefully at ourselves before we pass judgment on others.”(Moliere [J. -B. Poquelin], 1622-1673)
JayBluE about 10 years ago
It’s a wonder that Brad wasn’t one of the kids who got a “Golden Ticket”…
Caldonia about 10 years ago
The hair is sort of pixie-cut for a guy!
ShagsCA about 10 years ago
mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
MaynardAz about 10 years ago
I always like Hydrox cookies, they are supposed to be back in stores this month.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/05/11/hydrox-leaf-brands-oreo-mondelez/8896377/
woodshoods1 about 10 years ago
And this is a kid who’s going to be a firefighter.
MaynardAz about 10 years ago
Liked.
Mordock999 Premium Member about 10 years ago
Well Lu, Brad Will One Day FEARLESSLY Save the Life of the Young Woman He Hopes Marry.
…..But Only after being Frequently, and Vigorously Beaten SENSELESS by Said Woman’s Slack-Jawed, Knuckle Dragging, Cro-Magnon Ex-Boyfriend…..,
Craig66 about 10 years ago
I don’t like this. I wish there were way to be notified when it is over.Somehow it just seems failure to try but not draw the characters as they was back when.
wiselad about 10 years ago
and to think that the couch potato would earn the Toni award years later and achieve becoming something
TORAD_07 about 10 years ago
I like Mr. Upchruch’s rendition of Brad at Age t3, even better than GE’s version of Brad at 17-18.
ShadowBeast Premium Member about 10 years ago
Oh how things have reversed with these two.
TheLiam about 10 years ago
Yay he can still draw young Luann but we still have no clue if he can draw them older.
Caldonia about 10 years ago
That’s strange to me, too. And people also think Gunther and Rosa should have such a serious commitment, and so should Luann and Quill. That’s a pretty old fashioned belief for modern kids!
TheLiam about 10 years ago
Setting up several plot lines just to see them go nowhere?
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member about 10 years ago
Good Point! This comic today does not even have a “birthday” sort of feel.
TheLiam about 10 years ago
I was patient waiting for the roommate, I was patient waiting for the TJ investigation, it just seems they like to set things up and drop them.
jonhbenson about 10 years ago
Why does Brad look like a Luann version of Popeye? I think it’s the shirt. Or maybe the forearms in that last panel.
Mneedle about 10 years ago
When I was 13 I spent all of my time playing ball or on my bike.
krys723 about 10 years ago
I did the Oreo Tower when I was younger…I can fit a lot of Oreos in my mouth at once
Sailor46 USN 65-95 about 10 years ago
I didn’t enter that stage until Middle Age!
bama1fan92 about 10 years ago
now we luann againn and retro luann.
dblbaraje about 10 years ago
Please don’t let this memory lane thing be dragged out like the Foggarty thing. By this time of day there are usually at least 60 or so comments, today at this time, barely 40. Please let us get back to current day, there are so many interesting things to get into.
Jim Kerner about 10 years ago
I’ve been looking at the characters and they look like cartoon characters.
Sisyphos about 10 years ago
I am a bit struck at being reminded that Brad is only three years older than Luann: that makes him only 21 in “the present,” with all his experience as a fireman and his courtship of Toni. I guess I sort of imagined him at least in his mid-twenties….
Jessica_D about 10 years ago
Oh! Oreos! Those were they days, sigh!
ACTIVIST1234 about 10 years ago
This week’s Memory Book page is for Age 10.*Next week’s could be for Age 11.*The following week could be for Age 12.*And we might eventually find out what all went on at prom night at Age 17!
ACTIVIST1234 about 10 years ago
“However, it’d be even more unbelievable if they hand drew those pictures”*RB: I too have been wondering about the book’s artwork. How could B & D, who purportedly made the book, know what Lu and Brad said at home alone?
Kymberleigh about 10 years ago
We have established by the high school graduation and starting college story arcs (as well as the “18th birthday” reference in the memory book set-up panel) that Luann is 18.
Today’s strip establishes that Brad is three years older than Luann, so he is now 21.
So that means Brad, before age 21, became a firefighter and proposed marriage? That’s quite a stretch, even when we accept that comic strip timelines take longer than real life.
King_Shark about 10 years ago
Is someone else drawing these? I actually prefer the artwork.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member about 10 years ago
Actually, Dave, in this case, I would suggest that there was an inference of these being photographs because of the book Luann’s friends reference at the party earlier this week.
JayBluE about 10 years ago
Greg has also used the term “reset” for them (especially in reference to their school year’s beginning). So, in effect (and agreement), he hasn’t given them an actual and specific time, more like an “abstract” time, which would also seem more adaptable for us in using our imagination in each arc, and not being stuck in literal and linear lines…
JayBluE about 10 years ago
There was no “whitewashing”. Many TV shows and even some books do the same thing. Some places, it’s given “such and such” an age, date, place, time. Other times, it’s “dat, dat, dat”. And still another instance, it’s “X- y- z”. But centrally and integrally, the specific info is that the characters are “this way and that”. Some stories, the place they visit or live in changes, some have the ages change, for some, it’s what they do for a living, for some, what vehicle they drive changes. – It is a technique as old as telling stories, itself.
doverdan about 10 years ago
The cartoonist is OK, but the retrospect is pointless.
Caldonia about 10 years ago
That’s known as a ret-con. And boy does it make it hard to suspend your belief. It’s the fault of the writer who keeps changing his characters’ backstory.
JayBluE about 10 years ago
“It’s fluid in that Brad can either be 3 or 4 years older than Luann based on what season it is. Since Luann just turned 18, Brad is most definitely 21” ^Yeah…. that’s similar to what I was saying…
TheLiam about 10 years ago
Remember that next time you go after someone for disagreeing with you.
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr about 10 years ago
“Considering Luann JUST turned 18, Brad would be 21, or else Brad could not be 13 when Luann was 10.”-—————————————————-Considering that my reference ‘toon is 6 months into the strip, and it’s already established that Luann is 13 at the beginning of the strip.-—————————————-I know how birthday numbers are; my brothers and I are 16 months apart. From August 12 through 23, our ages lined up chronologically. Then my older brother’s birthday (the 23rd) would put it out of whack again,
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr about 10 years ago
And shouldn’t some other “device” be driving theses “plots”?
JayBluE about 10 years ago
“..Because above all else….” ^Yup! The simplest explanation and at the heart of it all!
JayBluE about 10 years ago
“if you have to make a change because of an error or because the timeline doesn’t make sense, you stick with it.”^On an “as needed” or “case by case” basis. No rule that says that you have to ….or that such a rule has to exist.. or that each writer has to do what the others have done…– See “Chuck Cunningham” from Happy Days….. – Or also Carol Brady (previous marriage history) or the Ferengi or the Klingons (changing/changed customs/physical features/etc.)… -Or other books or cartoons, changed in each way as those writers saw fit… (excellent example in this regard, J.A.R.V.I.S. from “iron Man” franchise. Was live human butler in comics, changed, then changed again to “smart house/suit computer”)…
Jim Kerner about 10 years ago
You are right sir. Unfortunately, I’ve noticed that a lot of people seem to be forgetting that.
seismic-2 Premium Member about 10 years ago
> I go after ones posting inflammatory nonsense to ruin the experience for the rest of us.>And you seem to consider any post that takes Greg Evans to task to be inflammatory nonsense.
gromit82 about 10 years ago
Regardless of how much older Brad is supposed to be than Luann, it still doesn’t make sense for Luann to be taking her 13-year-old brother to task for lying on the couch, watching TV, and eating snacks. What does she expect him to be accomplishing? If anyone was going to be telling Brad that he was wasting his time, it should be Frank or Nancy, not Luann.
Besides, when Luann was 13, she didn’t accomplish anything more than Brad was doing at that age. There are a lot of strips from that era about Luann doing “nothing” (3/17/85, 4/6/85, 4/20/85, 6/26/85, 9/17/85, 10/21/85, 3/22/86, for example), and she wasn’t distinguishing herself academically, either (4/26/85, 6/10/85, 11/19/85, 2/24/86, for example).
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr about 10 years ago
JayBluE about 10 years ago
Y’know something? The dentist’s office might as well have some cookies and snacks there. That way, we all will know, they’ll know that we know that they know, and don’t have to come up with excuses, any longer…
seismic-2 Premium Member about 10 years ago
> But when someone consistently posts only negatively, that’s abuse.>Who is abused by that? How are they abused by that? I would say it’s somebody expressing a negative opinion, and being consistent about it.
Caldonia about 10 years ago
Yeah, I agree. This isn’t too bad by comparison.
JayBluE about 10 years ago
And see? This is also “part and parcel” to what I’m saying. A story that’s supposed to be set in the Vietnam War, or the Civil War or another historical event, writers should :“tighten up” more! Even though the story may not be about those things, they still must be careful in those instances to make sure that all their background is straight. Those are the things that need accuracy…
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
I dunno…I thought Brad on the couch was the epitome of a 13-year-old teenager… ;)
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
Gotta love your “It’s A Comic Strip” cartoon! ;)
JayBluE about 10 years ago
“I came over as a paying customer.” ^Uh, I’d hate to tell you, but you’re not really paying.. – It’s true that our “hits and clicks” drive the business, but it don’t count as paying… cos no one is paying us to click here! The only money given and changing hands, is from the advertisers … they (and the syndicates publishing) are “footing the bill”…– And it’s not about “the right to give an opinion”. The point is: “the validity of continuity vs. change”… not “whether or not it’s okay to give an opinion”…..
seismic-2 Premium Member about 10 years ago
Don’t people who subscribe to newspapers (yes, we exist) count as “paying customers”?
ORMouseworks about 10 years ago
Thanks, IJB, for the info on"Hydrox!". I don’t think I have ever had one! Did notice a link to “Carvel.” One time I was in Southern California and found a Carvel…oh, was their chocolate soft ice-cream sooo good! ;)
JayBluE about 10 years ago
“If I were paying, and as dissatisfied as some people are on here, I would not come back.”^Good point!